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      09-16-2023, 07:40 AM   #4159
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Actually, this stemmed from me calling into question your claim about BMWís reputation for reliability or durability. My anecdotes for sure donít prove anything, I completely agree since they were part of a different discussion. We had a brief discussion about actual reliability/durability and then you made a claim about their reputation, which is the topic of debate at this point. You still have not addressed the argument, but fair enough this went off the rails a bit. Iíll give you a chance to provide proof that BMWs have a reputation for durability (if thatís what you want to call it).

If you want to get back to the discussion about ACTUAL reliability or durability, thatís fine as well once we have concluded this branch of the debate.



If you think this brings validity to your statements, this is an appeal to authority fallacy
Well...

https://www.slashgear.com/1375535/5-...nes-bmw-built/

"BMW has a long-established reputation for making dependable, durable vehicles. Last year's Consumer Reports owner satisfaction survey placed BMW third among all manufacturers for the model years 2000-2022 in terms of reliability. Part of the reason BMW has been able to build and keep such a faithful following among its drivers has been the steadily evolving lineup of powerful and trustworthy engines the Munich-based automaker has been producing since the 1970s."
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EVs give off harmful levels of emf radiation.
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A review on Electromagnetic fields (EMFs) and the reproductive system
Many studies have shown that electromagnetic fields can have destructive effects on sex hormones, gonadal function, fetal development, and pregnancy. So people must be aware of the negative effects of EMFs. Although the impact of the waves varied at different frequencies, it is better to stay as far away as possible from their origin because of the risks associated with exposures to these waves. In addition, people can use of natural antioxidants to help reduce the effects of these waves.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5014506/

No better way to reduce green house gases that to depopulated the planet. Any one think this is a issue for the Globalist Grifters?
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A review on Electromagnetic fields (EMFs) and the reproductive system
Many studies have shown that electromagnetic fields can have destructive effects on sex hormones, gonadal function, fetal development, and pregnancy. So people must be aware of the negative effects of EMFs. Although the impact of the waves varied at different frequencies, it is better to stay as far away as possible from their origin because of the risks associated with exposures to these waves. In addition, people can use of natural antioxidants to help reduce the effects of these waves.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5014506/

No better way to reduce green house gases that to depopulated the planet. Any one think this is a issue for the Globalist Grifters?
To be fair, the absence of any meaningful wage growth for literally anyone but the 1%, the ever expanding gap of wealth inequality. Not to mention the insane cost of raising a child is depopulating the first world plenty fine already, add that to the defunding of public education forcing more cost onto parents to look for private education, lacklustre public health all are defenitely contributing factors
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The future is secure. The next generation is on the ball.

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The future is secure. The next generation is on the ball.
"The case argues that the human rights of the six young people are not being upheld by the European nations: their right to life, their right to be free from inhuman or degrading treatment, their right to privacy and family life, and their right to be free from discrimination."

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      09-16-2023, 05:02 PM   #4165
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Thought this was cool on lithium refining,from May 2023:

https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-lit...groundbreaking

And this was a patent filing by them in 2021:

https://www.mining-technology.com/ne...um-extraction/
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Thought this was cool on lithium refining,from May 2023:
Interesting but:
"high lithium loss from the subsequent removal of the impurity elements may significantly lower overall lithium extraction efficiency."
Will people who have ignored the environmental damage their cars cause buy Tesla's because they are being more responsible?
Does any think China gives a flying F about the environment?
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Interesting but:
"high lithium loss from the subsequent removal of the impurity elements may significantly lower overall lithium extraction efficiency."
Will people who have ignored the environmental damage their cars cause buy Tesla's because they are being more responsible?
Does any think China gives a flying F about the environment?
This looks like good news to me. Just seems interesting to watch some innovation with this issue. China is shi&t. Agreed. Fossil fuels at current usage aren’t great for the environment either. My hope is that we can improve technologies that improve processes.

By vertically integrating lithium refinement Tesla can likely be okay financially with lower yields.

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Thought this was cool on lithium refining,from May 2023:

https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-lit...groundbreaking

And this was a patent filing by them in 2021:

https://www.mining-technology.com/ne...um-extraction/
Oh dear ..they can't make proper cars..now they want to make their own batteries
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Oh dear ..they can't make proper cars..now they want to make their own batteries
Seem to be doing fine on sales/revenue and valuation.
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This looks like good news to me.
By vertically integrating lithium refinement Tesla can likely be okay financially with lower yields.
Didn't mean to imply it wasn't good. Musk seems to have a grasp on how to build successful business's. With Lithium mines in Nevada and rail transportation he may have a good business model on this. Problem is if the current trend in Europe comes to America then we will see a glut of cheap Chinese EV's.
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Didn't mean to imply it wasn't good. Musk seems to have a grasp on how to build successful business's. With Lithium mines in Nevada and rail transportation he may have a good business model on this. Problem is if the current trend in Europe comes to America then we will see a glut of cheap Chinese EV's.
You make a great point about Chinese EVs.
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Seem to be doing fine on sales/revenue and valuation.
Perhaps so do McDonalds....
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It could be all over for EV's, plunging sales with poor range and 'charger rage' who on earth wants to go through this crap.

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It could be all over for EV's, plunging sales with poor range and 'charger rage' who on earth wants to go through this crap.
This is one of the best Video's on the demand and the economics of adopting the EV. This is why the Democrats must force the adoption of EV's by removing the ICE from consideration.
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It could be all over for EV's, plunging sales with poor range and 'charger rage' who on earth wants to go through this crap.
The challenges the US faces with EV uptake are spot on with the Canadian market just scaled up. Great video., thanks for posting.
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This is one of the best Video's on the demand and the economics of adopting the EV. This is why the Democrats must force the adoption of EV's by removing the ICE from consideration.
This ^.

Again, reading on an EV car forum this morning, I find it amazing the tolerance of people to just accept that travel past 200 miles requires patience and acceptance of charging wait times. Now I've learned there is such a thing as charge anxiety, which is the phenomenon of getting to a charging center only to find (a) chargers not working, (b) all chargers occupied, or (c) chargers not charging at the full rate of the DC fast charge protocol, meaning range recovery is quite slow. Several posts on that subject have evolved into a sort of badge of honor that the poster tolerated the inconvenience of long-distance EV travel.

In the perspective of ICE recharging in 5 minutes and 100% range recovery (with most cars that means 400+ miles), I fully lack understanding of why people put up with EV. Sure, most of the current adopters "charge at home while they sleep". But that doesn't work on trips past 200 - 300 miles depending on ambient temperatures, nor for people who do not have private Level 2 charging (at home).

I guess it is a new form of sadomasochism. Enviromental sadomasochism perhaps?

Weird.
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This ^.

Again, reading on an EV car forum this morning, I find it amazing the tolerance of people to just accept that travel past 200 miles requires patience and acceptance of charging wait times. Now I've learned there is such a thing as charge anxiety, which is the phenomenon of getting to a charging center only to find (a) chargers not working, (b) all chargers occupied, or (c) chargers not charging at the full rate of the DC fast charge protocol, meaning range recovery is quite slow. Several posts on that subject have evolved into a sort of badge of honor that the poster tolerated the inconvenience of long-distance EV travel.

In the perspective of ICE recharging in 5 minutes and 100% range recovery (with most cars that means 400+ miles), I fully lack understanding of why people put up with EV. Sure, most of the current adopters "charge at home while they sleep". But that doesn't work on trips past 200 - 300 miles depending on ambient temperatures, nor for people who do not have private Level 2 charging (at home).

I guess it is a new form of sadomasochism. Enviromental sadomasochism perhaps?

Weird.
I suspect they pat themselves on the back for their sacrifice of convenience because they're doing their part to save the planet.
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I suspect they pat themselves on the back for their sacrifice of convenience because they're doing their part to save the planet.
I think the term we are looking for is "Narcissist"...
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I think the term we are looking for is "Narcissist"...
Not only are you more patient than me you're more polite.
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We have a Rivian R1T - and love it. It's built here (in IL), is a beast off road (feels like cheating, really), has more power than you'd ever need, and does all the things a vehide should do -- very well. The engineering that went into it is substantial, and it shows.

Charging at home (for the amount we drive it), uses less energy than the electric dryer that occupied the circuit previously. We've gone on road trips, and dealt with the public chargers - and don't disagree that it can be a bit of a pain at times --- but it's expected. There will be growing pains.. if they're too much for you, cool, don't get an EV yet.

It's not 'fun' to drive on the street, really.. but for us, it's just an appliance. Need to do the things around town? turn it on and go.. when there's time, though - I'll be polluting away in my gas-guzzler taxed, obnoxious, 10-second family sedan.

Bottom line, it's just another new technology..
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