[jmg]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Time and again we see governments taking steps that clearly aren't within the mandates they were elected on. It's not just the USA.

The IRA of 2022, which extended EV incentives to 2032, was passed by the House with a 220-207 vote by publicly elected officials representing their constituents. Congress passed it with a 51-50 vote. Both were straight down party lines.

Whether or not an individual feels like this represents the will of the people might depend on what side of the fence they are on, and if they think their will supercedes everyone else's.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I find the tangential direction this thread has taken of late to be very amusing. I love you guys.

If we keep going down this rabbit hole we will be doing recursive ontological inspections of being and "is"ness.

I haven't visited this thread in probably a year, but the echo chamber it became degenerated to low standard masturbatory back-patting and groupthink.

The tangential directions are a panicked reaction of those whos debating muscles in this subject matter have atrophied from lack of use.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

On a funnier note we have trouble defining a man and a woman ... no chance we are going to sort the definition of 'mandate'

That's only confusing for those too lazy or unwilling to empathize and educate themselves... but that's another discussion we shouldn't be having here.

That thread was obviously deleted.

[KRS_SN]

You're just obfuscating the original argument by questioning the meaning of mandate with some fancy copy paste etc. Now tell us why you support or are against or are neutral to the ICE ban and EV only sale mandate

[jmg]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

You're just obfuscating the original argument by questioning the meaning of mandate with somefamcy copy paste etc.

The discussion on the word "mandate" was initiated by yourself and Efthreeoh elevated it to another level in 5 posts.

I merely participated in trying to counter the obfuscation of the word. I wish I didn't have to, but given the tendency of the echo chamber participants to have selective memory, misquote, distract from what was said, and put words in people's mouths, I unfortunately continually have to quote past posts.

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

The EV mandate is not in line with democratic values and will of the people. The clue is in the name...mandate.

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

"A 'mandate' refers to the granted authority of an (a) government or (an) elected official." - Relative to the US Government, this statement is incorrect.

"However, you couldn't be more wrong about the word 'mandate' itself... it is essential to Democracy." - Again, no; diversity of thought is essential to Democracy.

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

His understanding of the word "mandate" is completely opposite of the definition. WRT a representative government, a mandate is the wishes of constituents expressed to their Representative.

But hey, let's just make stuff up.

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

From an actual dictionary (Websters) published in 1971 before the internet and social media:

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

Mandating in common speak = enforcement but you are free rto believe your version.

It's quite hypocritical to reprimand me for replying to comments directed at me while you and Efthreeoh feel entitled to do the same.

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

Now tell us why you support or are against or are neutral to the ICE ban and EV only sale mandate

For all intents and purposes, neutral.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by jmg

For all intents and purposes, neutral.

Well you've failed in your primary purpose. I tried to mandate to the Mrs that she shall cook dinner..quite undemocratic apparently despite she choosing me democratically etc etc

[jmg]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

Well you've failed in your primary purpose. I tried to mandate to the Mrs that she shall cook dinner..quite undemocratic apparently despite she choosing me democratically etc etc

Allow me to remind you of my neutral stance:

Originally Posted by jmg

...I could go on, but the entire US Constitution is upheld by government mandates to protect the rights of Americans.

If you want to argue that the EV doesn't reflect the will of the people, then by all means. (Your welcome)

However, you couldn't be more wrong about the word "mandate" itself... it is essential to Democracy.

You probably missed these:

Originally Posted by jmg

Whether or not EV policies themselves reflect a will of the all people requires further discussion. A discussion I suggested in my post, I might add.

Originally Posted by jmg

The IRA of 2022, which extended EV incentives to 2032, was passed by the House with a 220-207 vote by publicly elected officials representing their constituents. Congress passed it with a 51-50 vote. Both were straight down party lines.

Whether or not an individual feels like this represents the will of the people might depend on what side of the fence they are on, and if they think their will supercedes everyone else's.

[gonzo]

disengage
Disengage
DISENGAGE!!!

You're welcome.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by gonzo

disengage
Disengage
DISENGAGE!!!

You're welcome.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

do any of yall have jobs? I am sure you do.... I would hope you put in as much effort into your jobs than these posts

[jmg]

Originally Posted by G35POPPEDMYCHERRY

do any of yall have jobs? I am sure you do.... I would hope you put in as much effort into your jobs than these posts

I WFH and have waaaaay to much free time most days. If I disappear from the forums for a few days, it's my busy time.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

Originally Posted by jmg

I WFH and have waaaaay to much free time most days. If I disappear from the forums for a few days, it's my busy time.

same

[KRS_SN]

Wow!
BBC News - 'I was kidnapped by my runaway electric car'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67005620

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

Wow!
BBC News - 'I was kidnapped by my runaway electric car'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67005620

I see it was in your home town KRS, the chap has mobility issues but even if he didn't someone suggesting he jump out the vehicle letting it roll by itself possibly killing someone while its rolling is just brain dead, whoever suggested that should be sectioned lol
Written by a beeb journo, lets say no more.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

Wow!
BBC News - 'I was kidnapped by my runaway electric car'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67005620

"Mr Morrison's insurance said they were investigating the incident, which has left him unsure if he would drive another electric vehicle again."

Many cars, including ICE vehicles, have braking, steering, and accelerating by wire options. These are not equipment that are exclusive to the EV. In fact, the MG ZS EV is a mechanical brake according to this thread. There is little in the article nor the thread that indicates causality from the vehicle being an EV. This article is baiting by leading with the EV angle, and the driver's fears are misplaced on the EV since brakes have failed on ICE cars in the past as well.

The article was chosen because the headline aligned with a predisposed bias. You either neglected or didn't bother to ascertain if the content was beyond superficially applicable because it was not in your best interest to contradict your bias.

Cherry-picking articles like this is not only disingenuous and intellectually dishonest, but shows how confirmation bias creates a tunnel vision effect, lowering the ability to objectively scrutinize evidence and facts, and in the end, impeding reasoned decision-making.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by jmg

"Mr Morrison's insurance said they were investigating the incident, which has left him unsure if he would drive another electric vehicle again."

Many cars, including ICE vehicles, have braking, steering, and accelerating by wire options. These are not equipment that are exclusive to the EV. In fact, the MG ZS EV is a mechanical brake according to this thread. There is little in the article nor the thread that indicates causality from the vehicle being an EV. This article is baiting by leading with the EV angle, and the driver's fears are misplaced on the EV since brakes have failed on ICE cars in the past as well.

The article was chosen because the headline aligned with a predisposed bias. You either neglected or didn't bother to ascertain if the content was beyond superficially applicable because it was not in your best interest to contradict your bias.

Cherry-picking articles like this is not only disingenuous and intellectually dishonest, but shows how confirmation bias creates a tunnel vision effect, lowering the ability to objectively scrutinize evidence and facts, and in the end, impeding reasoned decision-making.

welcome to the anti-EV thread where every story and video posted is brought to you by Exxon......and the anti-EV sheeple lap it up like water in the midle of the desert

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by jmg

"Mr Morrison's insurance said they were investigating the incident, which has left him unsure if he would drive another electric vehicle again."

Many cars, including ICE vehicles, have braking, steering, and accelerating by wire options. These are not equipment that are exclusive to the EV. In fact, the MG ZS EV is a mechanical brake according to this thread. There is little in the article nor the thread that indicates causality from the vehicle being an EV. This article is baiting by leading with the EV angle, and the driver's fears are misplaced on the EV since brakes have failed on ICE cars in the past as well.

The article was chosen because the headline aligned with a predisposed bias. You either neglected or didn't bother to ascertain if the content was beyond superficially applicable because it was not in your best interest to contradict your bias.

Cherry-picking articles like this is not only disingenuous and intellectually dishonest, but shows how confirmation bias creates a tunnel vision effect, lowering the ability to objectively scrutinize evidence and facts, and in the end, impeding reasoned decision-making.

Just wondering if you'd be singing the same tune if it happened to yourself in an EV.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Just wondering if you'd be singing the same tune if it happened to yourself in an EV.

Why would it change? Do you discard objectivity so easily?

This vehicle has the same braking system as it’s ICE counterpart so any defects in the braking system wouldn’t be caused by the fact that the car is an EV.

This would be the equivalent of saying that I will only eat Knott’s strawberry jam because I had a hard time opening a Knott’s grape jam jar when the strawberry jam is packaged in the exact same jar.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by jmg

Why would it change? Do you discard objectivity so easily?

This vehicle has the same braking system as it’s ICE counterpart so any defects in the braking system wouldn’t be caused by the fact that the car is an EV.

This would be the equivalent of saying that I will only eat Knott’s strawberry jam because I had a hard time opening a Knott’s grape jam jar when the strawberry jam is packaged in the exact same jar.

An ICE without Adaptive cruise control might not develop a software glitch that makes it keep going at 30mph. Also brake failures don't keep.a car going at 30mph for long. This sounds like a software specific issue and EV are full of software etc..

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by jmg

Why would it change? Do you discard objectivity so easily?

This vehicle has the same braking system as it’s ICE counterpart so any defects in the braking system wouldn’t be caused by the fact that the car is an EV.

This would be the equivalent of saying that I will only eat Knott’s strawberry jam because I had a hard time opening a Knott’s grape jam jar when the strawberry jam is packaged in the exact same jar.

I'll point out the obvious. A non-EV would slow down naturally then stop with the help of the handbrake also. The EV kept on driving and a police van was used to slow it to a stop and held like that because it wanted to keep moving.
You say the brakes are mechanical on this EV, what about the parking brake, that's right, it probably hasn't got a conventional one? making it a high accident risk for the uninitiated.
It begs the question how would it pass the compulsory safety examination required after 3 years from new.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I'll point out the obvious. A non-EV would slow down naturally then stop with the help of the handbrake also. The EV kept on driving and a police van was used to slow it to a stop and held like that because it wanted to keep moving.
You say the brakes are mechanical on this EV, what about the parking brake, that's right, it probably hasn't got a conventional one? making it a high accident risk for the uninitiated.
It begs the question how would it pass the compulsory safety examination required after 3 years from new.

Indeed

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I'll point out the obvious. A non-EV would slow down naturally then stop with the help of the handbrake also. The EV kept on driving and a police van was used to slow it to a stop and held like that because it wanted to keep moving.
You say the brakes are mechanical on this EV, what about the parking brake, that's right, it probably hasn't got a conventional one? making it a high accident risk for the uninitiated.
It begs the question how would it pass the compulsory safety examination required after 3 years from new.

Last I checked, ICEV have an ignition switch that can turn off the engine and ICEV also have a transmission that has a neutral position to disengage the engine power from the drivetrain. So even in the case of a drive-by-wire throttle malfunction there are still user interface failsafes that can be implemented to prevent the ICEV from contuing on its own power.

Perhaps in its vast corporate holdings ExxonMobil owns the company that writes the software code for the MG EV controller or maybe even ExxonMobil manufactures the circuit boards for the EV control modules MG uses. This fits well with the narrative that ExxonMobil writes all the anti-EV content on the internet spewed by Sky News Corp. ExxonMobil manufacturers the faulty EV components and code and then has control of the news source content on the internet targeted specifically at YOUR anti-EV biases.

That 'splains it.