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      10-11-2023, 09:22 AM   #4445
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Luton Airport LT multi storey car park disaster yesterday as 1200 cars destroyed and 5 people hospitalised to what is 'suspected' to be an EV self combusting and inaccessible to the fire service. There were no fire sprinklers in this car park.
I just saw that, holy crap! Collapsing structure. That just killed the EV movement
I doubt this will kill the EV movement, but I suspect there will be more events like this. It doesn't matter if the fire started with an EV, if an EV catches fire s a result of an existing fire the problem is that much worse. I can see a time where you won't be allowed to park an EV in an underground garage or multi-level car park.
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Should we ban Range Rover products from garage decks as they may be the kindling for further fires?

I consider Range Rover as the underbrush of the automotive industry.

When we go camping we often bring a Range Rover product to help get the campfire going quickly.

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Luton Airport LT multi storey car park disaster yesterday as 1200 cars destroyed and 5 people hospitalised to what is 'suspected' to be an EV self combusting and inaccessible to the fire service. There were no fire sprinklers in this car park.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...re-moment.html
''It was like a flame thrower''
No, step away from the misinformation.
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Investigators think the fire started with a diesel vehicle, according to Chief Fire Officer Andrew Hopkinson of the Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service.
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What’s the point of this video? I’ve never seen anything this silly.
Some obvious EV hating guy couldn’t find a charger for a while in a car park where there’s actually a charger. So his “milk-float” Porsche sucks. Okay, super informative (!)
Why not? It goes to show the day to day running of an EV that is on the go and not having the comfort of home charging and I did say UK specific.
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Apparently it was a land rover (not EV) that started it.
The point remains though that whatever was the initial event the presence of a number of EVs in the carpark meant a match + a can of fuel situation.
It was suspected to be an EV so when they show a pic of it then I'll know to stop the guessing.
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      10-11-2023, 11:10 AM   #4450
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Maybe the Range Rover had a Li Time lithium 12V starter battery?

Good point Efthreeoh.
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      10-11-2023, 12:00 PM   #4451
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The difficulty I have with this Range Rover theory is diesel or petrol cars mostly do not self-combust when parked unless there is a significant maintenance issue such as leaking fuel hoses or an electrical fire that then ignites the fuel system. There is nothing to cause a fire in a parked ICEV. Fire must have oxygen, fuel, and an ignition source (heat) to start. Unless the suspected Range Rover diesel had an electrical short in some electrical system component how would a fire self start in a parked ICE diesel vehicle?

Because EV batteries have oxygen, fuel (lithium), and heat within the battery itself, improper heat management is what causes a runaway EV battery fire to start. That is why EV fires are different, EV have the necessary elements for a fire to self ignite and remain lit. It is much more plausible that a parked EV will self-ignite vs. an ICEV (unless it is an N52-engine'd BMW )

At this point in the story, there is no "misinformation".
That's what I am having trouble with. The car park vid I posted from a daily shows the vehicle, whatever it is, appear to combust quite violently from the left side similar to the 'flame thrower' effect of other EV's I've seen ignite.
Without seing the burnt vehicle I can't take the word that 'it was reported' by someone that it was a diesel or some other vehicle.
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Why not? It goes to show the day to day running of an EV that is on the go and not having the comfort of home charging and I did say UK specific.
No, from the moment the video starts, I can tell the video is a setup, he's a toxic hater, and a liar. Even before he reaches the car park, he's already complaining! I've been in UK recently, I know very well that their charging infrastructure is much better than U.S.. You can find chargers everywhere, and in UK 25% of new car sales are EVs, expected to reach 50% next year. So you need to be really uninformed - ignorant to believe misinformation videos like this.
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      10-11-2023, 12:22 PM   #4453
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At this point in the story, there is no "misinformation".
There is misinformation, as the investigators found out that the fire was started by a diesel Land Rover. And that's the only INFORMATION available. So when you share the video with the headline 'EV caused fire', it's misinformation, it's a lie.
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Maybe the Range Rover had a Li Time lithium 12V starter battery?

Sure, then its totally non sequitur, since this is a thread about EVs and not electrical systems/ICE batteries. It was 100% misinformation at the time it was posted.
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No, from the moment the video starts, I can tell the video is a setup, he's a toxic hater, and a liar. Even before he reaches the car park, he's already complaining! I've been in UK recently, I know very well that their charging infrastructure is much better than U.S.. You can find chargers everywhere, and in UK 25% of new car sales are EVs, expected to reach 50% next year. So you need to be really uninformed - ignorant to believe misinformation videos like this.
Why would he be lying if he leased his own EV, your argument is lukewarm.
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That's what I am having trouble with. The car park vid I posted from a daily shows the vehicle, whatever it is, appear to combust quite violently from the left side similar to the 'flame thrower' effect of other EV's I've seen ignite.
Without seing the burnt vehicle I can't take the word that 'it was reported' by someone that it was a diesel or some other vehicle.
The word from the fire chief is all we have right now, you are spreading disinformation at this point otherwise, trying to “fill the hole” of not knowing with your bias.
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That's what I am having trouble with. The car park vid I posted from a daily shows the vehicle, whatever it is, appear to combust quite violently from the left side similar to the 'flame thrower' effect of other EV's I've seen ignite.
Without seing the burnt vehicle I can't take the word that 'it was reported' by someone that it was a diesel or some other vehicle.
So when there is no evidence, you assume it's an EV.
When there is evidence, they need to convince you - a hater conspiracy theorist from U.S.. Why? You have evidence that investigators are lying?
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There is misinformation, as the investigators found out that the fire was started by a diesel Land Rover. And that's the only INFORMATION available. So when you share the video with the headline 'EV caused fire', it's misinformation, it's a lie.
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There is misinformation, as the investigators found out that the fire was started by a diesel Land Rover. And that's the only INFORMATION available. So when you share the video with the headline 'EV caused fire', it's misinformation, it's a lie.
Same with the Fremantle Highway auto cargo fire. Assumed to be EVs as cause then that is turning out to be complete BS.

"While the fire is still officially listed as under investigation, the trade Automobilwoche contends the preliminary survey and report say apparently the fire was not caused by electric cars. The manifest showed there were 498 electric vehicles and hybrids and a total of 3,784 vehicles including some heavy equipment in addition to cars."

From a NON-EV oriented website:

https://maritime-executive.com/artic...mantle-highway

The final report is pending. There will be real EV fires but probably ought to focus on accuracy.

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The word from the fire chief is all we have right now, you are spreading disinformation at this point otherwise, trying to “fill the hole” of not knowing with your bias.
Who said it's too dangerous to enter the car park for fear of it collapsing, do keep up.
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Who said it's too dangerous to enter the car park for fear of it collapsing, do keep up.
Lolwut?
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Schmee makes some valid points about the lag in the EV charging infrastructure build out in this video. You can skip around but I can't argue with his points. Main discussion on this is around the 9 minute mark. I have only charged at home and use my car locally. That works very well for me. But I realize that is not going to work for so many people.

I am a big fan of recycling KRS_SN so appreciate the repost. I posted this here #4027 on September 9, 2023.
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I am a big fan of recycling KRS_SN so appreciate the repost. I posted this here #4027 on September 9, 2023.
So you like Spanish tapas and recycling...you fit right in :-)
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So you like Spanish tapas and recycling...you fit right in :-)
I draw the line at decaf soy lattes though.
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I draw the line at decaf soy lattes though.
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