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      12-10-2023, 12:08 PM   #5237
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Probably all the unsold T's that no one wants were used in the film what a waste. But seriously could some foreign power make this happen ?
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Probably all the unsold T's that no one wants were used in the film what a waste. But seriously could some foreign power make this happen ?
Tesla closely links manufacturing with demand since they don’t have a dealer system and you order online.
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I've not looked to it, but where does all that gas tax money go?
I've tried looking it up over here and its a mystery, it all goes to the central exchequer and gubment then decides what to do with it.
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Probably all the unsold T's that no one wants were used in the film what a waste. But seriously could some foreign power make this happen ?
Elon Musk responds to the Tesla's crash scene => https://comicbook.com/movies/news/le...e-tesla-crash/

But the movie kept me in my chair ..
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Elon Musk responds to the Tesla's crash scene => https://comicbook.com/movies/news/le...e-tesla-crash/

But the movie kept me in my seat ..
Musk doesn't exactly give a specific answer probably avoiding the big question if it could really happen.
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Musk doesn't exactly give a specific answer probably avoiding the big question if it could really happen.
We recently had several Teslas with no one in them run over children leaving school. Total carnage. Then the cars caught on fire and that was all anyone would focus on. And I said,”can someone think of the children?” But they wouldn’t.
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Musk doesn't exactly give a specific answer probably avoiding the big question if it could really happen.
You should watch the movie my friend, in the end it becomes very clear what was going on ...

But one thing I can tell you , It was extremely bad news for mankind !
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You should watch the movie my friend, in the end it becomes very clear what was going on ...

But one thing I can tell you , I was extremely bad news for mankind !
It usually is
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We recently had several Teslas with no one in them run over children leaving school. Total carnage. Then the cars caught on fire and that was all anyone would focus on. And I said,”can someone think of the children?” But they wouldn’t.
I mentioned this earlier a couple times in the thread about children not hearing ev's who play ball games or lark about around roads, with no one replying.
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I mentioned this earlier a couple times in the thread about children not hearing ev's who play ball games or lark about around roads with no one replying.
I know. I responded that was a feature not a bug. It’s a matter of perspective. post#5060. This thread moves crazy fast.
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You should watch the movie my friend, in the end it becomes very clear what was going on ...

But one thing I can tell you , It was extremely bad news for mankind !
If I can watch, it won't be today my friend,,Sunday is my stress free relax day
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Why experts say falling EV prices could actually hinder widespread adoption
Fri, Dec 8 2023
Prices of used electric vehicles are down roughly 30% year over year, according to market research studies using data from September and October.
The cheaper prices might bode well for buyers, but they raise concerns that low resale values could hurt EV adoption among mainstream consumers. The falling prices also add fuel to a debate over whether EV demand is faltering.
But a car’s residual or resale value is a big factor in determining the total cost of owning it. Edmunds, which provides a range of automotive data services, said in its Q3 2023 Used Vehicle Report.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/08/fall...perts-say.html
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New US rules on Chinese batteries could push up price of electric cars
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The US government has announced new regulations that aim to keep Chinese batteries out of cars sold in the United States, a move that could push up the price of electric vehicles for American drivers.
That’s because new guidelines from the US Treasury, Internal Revenue Service and Department of Energy prohibit the use of parts made or assembled by what they call “foreign entities of concern” (FEOC). The term refers to companies based in China, Russia, North Korea or Iran, or with at least 25% voting interest, board membership or ownership by a government of one of those countries.
Starting next month, following a 30-day period for public comment, vehicles with these components will no longer be eligible for a full $7,500 US tax credit, which allows consumers to save money when buying a new electric car.
Currently, of more than 103 EV models for sale in America, only about 20 vehicles qualify for some or all of the tax credit, according to Bozzella.

"Beijing has slammed the probe as a “blatantly protectionist act.” Pot meet kettle
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Tesla closely links manufacturing with demand since they don’t have a dealer system and you order online.
Nah.. he(they) cuts prices to stimulate demand and get metal moving.
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Under news from Captain Obvious
Why experts say falling EV prices could actually hinder widespread adoption
Fri, Dec 8 2023
Prices of used electric vehicles are down roughly 30% year over year, according to market research studies using data from September and October.
The cheaper prices might bode well for buyers, but they raise concerns that low resale values could hurt EV adoption among mainstream consumers. The falling prices also add fuel to a debate over whether EV demand is faltering.
But a car’s residual or resale value is a big factor in determining the total cost of owning it. Edmunds, which provides a range of automotive data services, said in its Q3 2023 Used Vehicle Report.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/08/fall...perts-say.html
When you're buying an ev you're technically sitting on a lot of li ion and commiting to improving the climate and getting a subsidy and cheap motoring .
Payback is that you got to own the car for a while as that's environment friendly too and also as resale values will be terrible.
Overall its fair.
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Nah.. he(they) cuts prices to stimulate demand and get metal moving.
They don’t tend to have a deep inventory sitting around.
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Nah.. he(they) cuts prices to stimulate demand and get metal moving.
I take Sundays to catch up on Financial news. I think the EV industry is going to have an especially bad time in 2024. Between the US finally growing a pair in regards to China (or Union protectionism ) and a tightening money situation on credit it is less than optimal. I think European auto companies are going to take the blunt of this due to loss of "Free Government Cheese"
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Rejection rates for auto loan applications reached a record high in 2023, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York’s Consumer Expectations Credit Access Survey, jumping from 5.2% in 2022 to 11%.
Prices for new and used cars are still elevated and higher interest rates mean car payments have increased, too. The average monthly payment for a new car, according to Experian, was $726 in the third quarter of 2023, up from $701 in 2022 and $617 in 2021.
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They don’t tend to have a deep inventory sitting around.
To the contrary there's tonnes of them waiting for an owner
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/inventor...by=plh&range=0
Just check out the new inventory list
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They don’t tend to have a deep inventory sitting around.
Really? 90 days is DEFCON 1 for car dealers.

Electric vehicles (EVs) are piling up on car lots across the country as the green revolution hits a speed bump, data show.
Nov 14,2023
EV inventories have increased by 506% from a year ago, with EVs sitting on lots for longer, according to CarGurus’ October report, released this month. EVs sit on the market an average 82 days versus 64 days for gas-powered vehicles, it said. In response to slowing demand, automakers like Ford and GM are cutting production.

EVs are still too expensive for most people, even with government incentives, surveys say.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...p/71572499007/
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To the contrary there's tonnes of them waiting for an owner
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/inventor...by=plh&range=0
Just check out the new inventory list
You may have been looking for this?
The current live total is 7227 cars. This is an increase of 119 from last weeks 7108, an increase of 7227 from last months , and an increase of 2262 from last quarters 4965,

Comprising
Model S : 521 (130 or 33.2% on last quarter)
Model X : 329 (-311 or -48.5% on last quarter)
Model 3 : 1995 (551 or 38.1% on last quarter)
Model Y : 4382 (1892 or 75.9% on last quarter)

Limit the amount of history by selecting how many quarters to go back below
https://tesla-info.com/blog/inventor...l/Americas?q=4
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Musk doesn't exactly give a specific answer probably avoiding the big question if it could really happen.
EV Bombs all over America!
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You may have been looking for this?
The current live total is 7227 cars. This is an increase of 119 from last weeks 7108, an increase of 7227 from last months , and an increase of 2262 from last quarters 4965,

Comprising
Model S : 521 (130 or 33.2% on last quarter)
Model X : 329 (-311 or -48.5% on last quarter)
Model 3 : 1995 (551 or 38.1% on last quarter)
Model Y : 4382 (1892 or 75.9% on last quarter)

Limit the amount of history by selecting how many quarters to go back below
https://tesla-info.com/blog/inventor...l/Americas?q=4
For the M 3 I have 5727 cars sold in the US per month which was 63000 cars total 1-23 to end of 11-23. So there are 1995 M 3 cars available. That doesn’t sound like a lot. I may be missing something.

Edit: I need a better data source. Looks like Tesla sells way more Model 3s in the US so the available inventory looks tiny.

Edit 2: per this https://www.autoweek.com/news/a45460...-after-tesla/# around 162K Model 3s over the first three quarters. So 18K cars a month. 1995 cars on hand seems pretty good.

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