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      12-02-2015, 10:01 AM   #23
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No, worst developed car ever.

I would love to know if this could happen to any car...for example our car's.
Are there some physic geek's out there, that could explain me exactly why that happened?
Maybe even check, if an throttle lack issue along with suspension setup, grip related issue's, distracted/ confused the driver, caused such an accident, by looking ober the vid....
Not the car, this was driver error. The exact same thing happened to the dude with the SO M4 driving out of....you guessed it, cars and coffee. The only difference in the M4 scenario below is that there isn't a truck parked on the left to run into sideways.

It can happen in any high horsepower car.


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There is something about car shows/meets that makes 90% of the people that leave behave like 10 year old boys.... Perfect example here.

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I'm glad I saw this video, just another reminder of why not to assclown around with horsepower. I'd rather learn from his mistake than mine. What was he thinking doing that in such a narrow street with vehicles all around....obviously he doesn't know enough about car control to drive like that, very very dumb.

And thank God almighty he didn't have his girlfriend, wife or friend in the passenger seat. That would have been horrific.

Thanks for posting.
Well said. Everyone makes mistakes. Let this be a reminder for us not to be 'that guy'.
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Not the car, this was driver error. The exact same thing happened to the dude with the SO M4 driving out of....you guessed it, cars and coffee. The only difference in the M4 scenario below is that there isn't a truck parked on the left to run into sideways.

It can happen in any high horsepower car.


Why does the car loose control on a straight, with straight front wheel's, what could be done to prevent that?
What can a driver do, when he get's in such an situation? Is there even anything that can be done?
Countersteering isn't working as we have sadly seen at the shelby example...
Braking also isn't working...see M4 reference...
Maybe trying to do an 360 ( handbrake ), instead of trying to go straight?
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He had one hand on the wheel, and his other hand was out the window holding his smoke!
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      12-02-2015, 11:49 AM   #28
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Not the car, this was driver error. The exact same thing happened to the dude with the SO M4 driving out of....you guessed it, cars and coffee. The only difference in the M4 scenario below is that there isn't a truck parked on the left to run into sideways.

It can happen in any high horsepower car.
Have seen this many times in many vids. High HP+rwd=spinning when you mash the gas(especially with no traction control). With AWD, it takes a lot more HP to have the same effect, so often the car just rockets forward with all the wheels turning, but it's still not impossible.

All sorts of idiots would ask me to "light em up" when I went past in my camaro. Right, like I'm going to toast $2000 worth of tires for you.
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1. Bad Driver
2. The integrity of the vehicle is questioned here
3. Why did this even take place in such a narrow street?
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Terrible driving on display. Too much throttle for too long, then not enough counter steering.

Such behavior is rampant among Mustang drivers. This is just another one with more power than skill.
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Thank's man!
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CoAbsolutelyuld that also happen to our car's?
Absolutely can happen, even without wheel spin. My rear toe was out of alignment, had toe out on the left rear and toe in on the right rear. Drove
OK cruising but when the power came on the rear got really squirrely and it
was a handful. Just takes a pot hole or two to screw up the alignment.
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To whoever seems to be shocked by the results on display here- this is something that can happen with ANY high-powered RWD car with an LSD.
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      12-02-2015, 01:05 PM   #33
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Why does the car loose control on a straight, with straight front wheel's, what could be done to prevent that?
What can a driver do, when he get's in such an situation? Is there even anything that can be done?
Countersteering isn't working as we have sadly seen at the shelby example...
Braking also isn't working...see M4 reference...
Maybe trying to do an 360 ( handbrake ), instead of trying to go straight?
All the questions you have can easily be solved by going to drivers training, I mean advanced training where you learn car control.

There's a lot a driver can do, many people do this all the time and drive away looking "cool" as they burn out driving away. How many other cars before him did the same thing....the issue is this driver was not prepared or knowledgeable enough to control the car when the car broke traction then regained traction and he was unable or way too late and not enough road to correct the mistake.

Counter steering does work, but you need quick reflexes, proper throttle application and space to correct the car's direction, braking also works, but usually not the best answer, but if you took a proper drivers class you would know that the tires can't do two things at once....they are either steering, accelerating(which sometimes involves steering i.e. awd cars), braking or loosing traction, neither of those can happen in conjunction, pick one.
The driver in this video does not look like he even ever applied brakes, he mashed the throttle, lost traction, car spun, I don't even see any steering input, and he kept accelerating or maybe just lifted off at the point when he noticed an imminent collision.
(I am not an expert, and my very basic assessment is an opinion lacking facts or clear knowledge of exactly what went wrong, it may in fact be the gas pedal broke and got stuck, or steering wheel broke, or a bee stung him below his eye, who knows...)

Trying to do a 360 degree handbrake...wtf....this is not the movies...perhaps if that were your plan all along but not in the middle of an unplanned accident. There is plenty you can do to prevent this from happening, first it begins with the obvious, do not be an irresponsible assclown on public roadways with people around, and if you are going to do it, you need to know how to control a car under these circumstances.
Again, at a drivers course they will put you on a wet course and make you loose traction so you can learn to control the car, like sort of drifting and how to regain control, usually it involves lifting off the throttle and feeding in the correct steering inputs. Look at a video of Chris Harris behind the wheel when he brakes traction and lights up the tires, the steering wheel is going left/right-right/left or vice versa making split second corrections....looks easy but it's really not, thats why the above video, know wut em sayin...
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      12-02-2015, 02:16 PM   #34
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All the questions you have can easily be solved by going to drivers training, I mean advanced training where you learn car control.

There's a lot a driver can do, many people do this all the time and drive away looking "cool" as they burn out driving away. How many other cars before him did the same thing....the issue is this driver was not prepared or knowledgeable enough to control the car when the car broke traction then regained traction and he was unable or way too late and not enough road to correct the mistake.

Counter steering does work, but you need quick reflexes, proper throttle application and space to correct the car's direction, braking also works, but usually not the best answer, but if you took a proper drivers class you would know that the tires can't do two things at once....they are either steering, accelerating(which sometimes involves steering i.e. awd cars), braking or loosing traction, neither of those can happen in conjunction, pick one.
The driver in this video does not look like he even ever applied brakes, he mashed the throttle, lost traction, car spun, I don't even see any steering input, and he kept accelerating or maybe just lifted off at the point when he noticed an imminent collision.
(I am not an expert, and my very basic assessment is an opinion lacking facts or clear knowledge of exactly what went wrong, it may in fact be the gas pedal broke and got stuck, or steering wheel broke, or a bee stung him below his eye, who knows...)

Trying to do a 360 degree handbrake...wtf....this is not the movies...perhaps if that were your plan all along but not in the middle of an unplanned accident. There is plenty you can do to prevent this from happening, first it begins with the obvious, do not be an irresponsible assclown on public roadways with people around, and if you are going to do it, you need to know how to control a car under these circumstances.
Again, at a drivers course they will put you on a wet course and make you loose traction so you can learn to control the car, like sort of drifting and how to regain control, usually it involves lifting off the throttle and feeding in the correct steering inputs. Look at a video of Chris Harris behind the wheel when he brakes traction and lights up the tires, the steering wheel is going left/right-right/left or vice versa making split second corrections....looks easy but it's really not, thats why the above video, know wut em sayin...
While the jist of what you're saying is largely correct, there is one big thing I'd like to point out that isn't-

"...the tire can't do two things at once.."

This is not true. In an AWD car, the front tires are acceleration and turning at the same time. In any car the front tires can be decelerating and turning at the same time.

A better way to word what you are trying to say is that tires only have 100% of traction available, and the more things they are doing- acceleration, decelerating, turning- the less traction is available for each of those tasks. A car accelerating in a straight line has 100% of it's traction available for the task. When accelerating out of a turn, that grip is being divided by two tasks- forward grip, and lateral grip.
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Thank you very much for your detailed explanation!
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Why does the car loose control on a straight, with straight front wheel's, what could be done to prevent that?
What can a driver do, when he get's in such an situation? Is there even anything that can be done?
Countersteering isn't working as we have sadly seen at the shelby example...
Braking also isn't working...see M4 reference...
Maybe trying to do an 360 ( handbrake ), instead of trying to go straight?
Take foot of brakes and gas, countersteer. These guys overreact with too much gas, shelby which kicked rear out, or brakes, which were applied to late, m4, so car pivoted on front passenger tire which was taking all the load.

Falls into it can't do two things at once. If they weren't braking or acceleration, the tires would have, wait for it, been able to steer.
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This notion that cars or their tires can't do multiple things at once needs to be discarded. It's not true, and keeps one from fully understanding the dynamics of a car, and it's handling characteristics. I don't where that idea even comes from.
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This notion that cars or their tires can't do multiple things at once needs to be discarded. It's not true, and keeps one from fully understanding the dynamics of a car, and it's handling characteristics. I don't where that idea even comes from.
What should be inserted in the statement is "well". Tires can only do one thing at a time well.
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While less incorrect, that is also not a concise, definitive way to put it. It depends on the tire, what it's on, and conditions. As I said earlier, a tire only has 100% traction at any given time. The more tasks that traction is being split up into, the less traction for those respective tasks.
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While less incorrect, that is also not a concise, definitive way to put it. It depends on the tire, what it's on, and conditions. As I said earlier, a tire only has 100% traction at any given time. The more tasks that traction is being split up into, the less traction for those respective tasks.
Exactly. Driver 1 used up the traction on acceleration. Number 2 on braking. Not much left for steering. Both are Muppets.
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well its obvious the guy has bad judgement skills looking at those rims... good God those things are hideous... Sticking those on the car made it go into self destruct mode I guess....
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I'm not sure which is more entertaining - the video, or the descriptions here of what went wrong and what could be done about it.
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Enthusiasm > than driving talent. Simple.

The car is not at fault here.
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