[Panoz]

Originally Posted by Brian GT PRO

Yes, I believe that a culmination of GT PRO, ASR and AMS will help to drive innovation. I for one am very happy to see those guys going after it as well. Those two others are doing great things, and I feel that with the three of us pushing it will only be making things better for the community.

This is very mature from your side...my kudos to you and your company

[AJ@ECSMotorsports]

Well if the turbos are going to be removed, those with the WG rattle can fix it themselves, am I wrong?

Would factory wastegates be used? I know Forge has upgraded wastegates for many Euro Turbo applications.

Forge is also about 10min from my house =)

[Panoz]

As per my knowledge , bigger turbos will create a slightly increased turbo lag effect. How do you compensate this?

Also , as turbos getting bigger the volume of the air comming out of the turbos (towards to IC)is now bigger than before. Does it means that a bigger IC is now a "necessarity".Are you going to include an IC as standart to your turbokit?

What are you going to do with both the above?

[M3EST]

Turbo lag would come with bigger turbo housing.Good to keep oem housing also for the exchange.

[Dr_Dirt]

Originally Posted by M3EST

Turbo lag would come with bigger turbo housing.Good to keep oem housing also for the exchange.

Well, I bet GTPro can shed some light on this, but the fact that the compressor wheel is larger than stock means that there will be more inertia to overcome which should increase some lag whatever that is.

Actually depending on where the trade-offs are a larger housing could possibly allow for a faster spool up.
These things spin so fast that any differences in mass on either side (compressor/turbine) play a huge part what lag will be felt.

[Denis GTPRO]

New wastegates are not on the agenda atm. This is a BMW issue from the factory that they need to get right in my opinion.

[Denis GTPRO]

Originally Posted by Panoz

As per my knowledge , bigger turbos will create a slightly increased turbo lag effect. How do you compensate this?

Also , as turbos getting bigger the volume of the air comming out of the turbos (towards to IC)is now bigger than before. Does it means that a bigger IC is now a "necessarity".Are you going to include an IC as standart to your turbokit?

What are you going to do with both the above?

there is no such thing as lag with a td03 housing and the dispacement of the n54 engine. Our turbos do not induce lag the only drawback to machining a housing to fit a larger wheel is slightly more heat due to the inertia of the air traveling through the same sized hole to the intercooler. But the amount of air vs the slight temperature variation is not even worth the calculation. We will be working on a matched intercooler upgrade that will have as little as 3% pressure drop from not having an intercooler at all. Making the propper parts takes a long time. we do not want to keep having to re engineer the same part and make a version 1.0 -4.2 for the same part. we would rather get it right the first time and create something else.

[Banker335i]

I really think it’s selfish to say that the wastages problem is BMW's. Although that is true, you are giving us a turbo Kit. If you’re going to do one part You NEED to do the whole thing. The waste gates are a obviously a large part of the Turbo. Why someone would get this kit if it’s still attached to a shitty Westgate is stupid. Plus by the time we get this kit, Why the F would BMW fix our wastages’. Its all or nothing man, I can believe you just said that....Lame.

[Denis GTPRO]

Originally Posted by Banker335i

I really think it’s selfish to say that the wastages problem is BMW's. Although that is true, you are giving us a turbo Kit. If you’re going to do one part You NEED to do the whole thing. The waste gates are a obviously a large part of the Turbo. Why someone would get this kit if it’s still attached to a shitty Westgate is stupid. Plus by the time we get this kit, Why the F would BMW fix our wastages’. Its all or nothing man, I can believe you just said that....Lame.

Im not trying to say its not important, especially since a turbo upgrade makes things that much more interesting. What im trying to say is that is is happening on FACTORY bmw cars and is an issue that is covered under warranty. NO ONE has blown a factory wastegate open due to high boost pressure so there is not need to make a part to sell to the consumers because an aftermarket unit is not yet needed, the factory simply need to work before you do an upgrade under warranty. why pay 40k for a car when you must pay a pro tuning shop to get a factory piece JUST to work properly when we havent reached the limits of a factory piece when it works right? When we do our upgrade we check and test the flapper portion to make sure it is working porperly. Even if bmw were to remove our turbo upgrade from a car still under warranty there is only a 1% chance they might realize that the turbo hase been upgraded because the work is so precise. We sell parts to where comsumer get their moneys worth. I just dont see a reason to make a wastegate setup yet especially since vishnu is currently the only company to my understanding that can control the boost section ecu wise to the limits of the car. You car needs to be healthy and not have issues before you do this upgrade or any other for thast matter. Power only amplifies existing issues, and if you have rattling wastegates from the factory, get it fixxed under warranty.

[Denis GTPRO]

Originally Posted by Panoz

This is very mature from your side...my kudos to you and your company

the m3 wheels on your car btw look VERY nice. I may have to plagurize that situation

[Panoz]

Originally Posted by Denis GTPRO

the m3 wheels on your car btw look VERY nice. I may have to plagurize that situation

Its pretty tricky to fit those huge wheels in such limited space but I guess it worths the pain.

[Denis GTPRO]

Originally Posted by Panoz

Its pretty tricky to fit those huge wheels in such limited space but I guess it worths the pain.

Nothing in life worthwhile is easy.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Brian GT PRO

Hi guys, well to answer a few of your questions here we go:

Tuning, JB3, V3, Dinan etc.? I have been trying to get together with BMS Terry, but he is so busy with production, we are not that important. Next call will be to Shiv., however we ARE working currently on a flash (past 6 months) with a very reputable outfit called Powerchip from AU.

This could also be why it is not important. Apparently he doesn't believe bigger turbos are the answer.

Terry BMS quote:
"I think for guys looking for 475-500hp its a good way to go. For most, a waste of time. You can make 420+rw on the stock turbos. Maybe more. Bigger turbos only add headaches (both tuning and other), PITA installs, and slower boost build up (IMHO)."

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[Proper Motion LLC]

Originally Posted by Panoz

Its pretty tricky to fit those huge wheels in such limited space but I guess it worths the pain.

I have had a Gyro at "The Mad Greek" restaurant in Stanton CA

[Banker335i]

TRU, ok my bad.

[Brian GT PRO]

Originally Posted by Panoz

This is very mature from your side...my kudos to you and your company

Thank you, much appreciated

[Kerosene Hat]

Originally Posted by Denis GTPRO

Even if bmw were to remove our turbo upgrade from a car still under warranty there is only a 1% chance they might realize that the turbo hase been upgraded because the work is so precise.

Just wondering - if one needs a tune (obviously) to make the upgraded turbo operate properly, is there a map-switching option that is in the works to "de-power" the vehicle so that tech's don't feel the upgrade when testing the vehicles.

I totally get the optical inspection, but the reality is that BMW will drive the vehicle if warranty work's performed...and an additional 100-150WHP is kinda tough to hide if there isn't a map or such for it. (eg - APR uses cruise control stalk to switch b/w stock and tuned maps in the VWAG world)

Just wondering. Thanks for the news & innovation!

[addy85]

this is exciting!

[bdkevoIX]

Originally Posted by Kerosene Hat

Just wondering - if one needs a tune (obviously) to make the upgraded turbo operate properly, is there a map-switching option that is in the works to "de-power" the vehicle so that tech's don't feel the upgrade when testing the vehicles.

I totally get the optical inspection, but the reality is that BMW will drive the vehicle if warranty work's performed...and an additional 100-150WHP is kinda tough to hide if there isn't a map or such for it. (eg - APR uses cruise control stalk to switch b/w stock and tuned maps in the VWAG world)

Just wondering. Thanks for the news & innovation!

Hide your boost controller and turn the boost down when you take it in

[mwahlert]

Originally Posted by bdkevoIX

Hide your boost controller and turn the boost down when you take it in

what are you putting down with your evo? i'd be willing to bet some serious power...

[TMR]

How is testing going?

[midlife]

Originally Posted by JetBlack5OC

This could also be why it is not important. Apparently he doesn't believe bigger turbos are the answer.

Terry BMS quote:
"I think for guys looking for 475-500hp its a good way to go. For most, a waste of time. You can make 420+rw on the stock turbos. Maybe more. Bigger turbos only add headaches (both tuning and other), PITA installs, and slower boost build up (IMHO)."

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true he said that. but when i pressed him a bit, he said that if the new turbos was really going to catching on, he would be in.
he has also stated similar things in various threads over at the other forum.

Terry even went as far as saying if the new turbos deviated too much from stock power curves, he would personally prefer flash tuning.... then he implied that this was possible with his current business relationships / associates.

i would not count terry out at this point.