JB2 vs Procede 1.47 tonight...

Spool · 10-19-2007, 02:16 AM

Sorry we don't have a vid, our camera man had to leave early...but here are the results...

Met up with Vq325K

We tried from a roll 4 times...3rd gear, 60mph...3 honks...floored it...dead even!

no one could pull away from the other...despite the dyno differences, both cars were dead even...we're both stock except for the JB2 and PROcede...oh, but i have a BOV, but i don't think that does anything...next time we'll have a vid up, but expect the same result....

ulises 335i · 10-19-2007, 02:22 AM

I demand videos !!!!!!

J/k great job gathering info for the jbs2 people

vq352k · 10-19-2007, 02:30 AM

yup, everything he said is true, we went out tonight to do a few runs, i expected to pull a few CL's on him.. could not get him by an inch.. every run was exactly teh same...our cars had the same gas in it, no heat soaking, we tried our best to keep the two cars the same..well, there you have it. $350 for this kind of performance vs $1,430.. what more could you ask for??? and JB2 runs at a lower PSI 11.5 right???

Spool · 10-19-2007, 02:35 AM

K before you anti-street racers start bashing...i'm posting this at 3:30 in the morning...we didnt see a single car in sight for like 10 miles...

anyways VQ35K...it was fun man, we'll do it again next time with the camera man...to tell you the truth, from my butt dyno i wasn't surprised at the results...JB2 vs procede is a driver's race...

OpenFlash · 10-19-2007, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by vq352k

yup, everything he said is true, we went out tonight to do a few runs, i expected to pull a few CL's on him.. could not get him by an inch.. every run was exactly teh same...our cars had the same gas in it, no heat soaking, we tried our best to keep the two cars the same..well, there you have it. $350 for this kind of performance vs $1,430.. what more could you ask for??? and JB2 runs at a lower PSI 11.5 right???

FWIW, v1.47 runs 11-12psi above 5000rpm. What RPM did you start the pull?

Shiv

Spool · 10-19-2007, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

FWIW, v1.47 runs 11-12psi above 5000rpm. What RPM did you start the pull?

Shiv

3rd gear, 60mph, so what ever that equals to...4K RPM?

Please don't get me wrong, i'm not here to favor JB2 or Bash Procede...i am just there to do comparison runs...

OpenFlash · 10-19-2007, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Spool

3rd gear, 60mph, so what ever that equals to...4K RPM?

I think it's a bit higher than 4000rpm. Might I suggest doing a 4th gear run, starting at 3000rpm? Starting earlier and using a taller gear will slow things down (longer pull) and better show the difference in area under the power curve. You'll be going quite a bit faster but the test will be more revealing. Judging by 1/4 results, there's a 1-2mph difference in trap speeds between the two which isn't going to be revealed by a 3rd gear pull. Go faster or use a taller gear. Just don't get caught by the fuzz

Doing the test that you guys did (3rd gear, from 4500rpm and up), the PROcede doesn't even reach max boost. This is one of the limitations of the factory vacuum actuated boost control system. On the dyno (starting from a lower rpm) or tested in a higher gear, there is enough loading to coax the system to achieve max desired boost. This is the main reason we rely on direct solenoid control with v2. To get the boost to the desired level, quickly as possible, in every single gear.

-shiv

vq352k · 10-19-2007, 02:48 AM

we did one at 40mph(2second ger)and it was still a drivers race. I have email you guys several times....and i have been charged over a month ago... when do i get my V2???? Thank you SHIV, CALVIN, DUSTIN

hotrod182 · 10-19-2007, 02:57 AM

Not surprising at all. The procede driver that I tested against stated we were exactly even. And we also tried about 3x in a row. Same results. Quite frankly, I was kind of upset I wasn't pulling on him on the roll ons with my JB2 sedan. The instrumented testing showed the fastest times by about .5mph in the qtr mile were from my JB2 sedan, no the Procede coupe. The procede being 1-2mph faster in the trap? Didn't happen in our head to head comparison. So I think from the launch, I am probably quicker. In regards to starting so slow that you are at the lower part of the rpm range, that hardly happens in a racing encounter. Especially with a steptronic, if you stomp on the throttle, you are in the upper rpm ranges instantly.

OpenFlash · 10-19-2007, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by vq352k

we did one at 40mph(2second ger)and it was still a drivers race. I have email you guys several times....and i have been charged over a month ago... when do i get my V2???? Thank you SHIV, CALVIN, DUSTIN

Shipped out a bunch of them earlier this week. Should be hitting doorsteps this week. Got some more going out early next week which should get us all caught up with those who have been charged (and then some).

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Originally Posted by hotrod182

In regards to starting so slow that you are at the lower part of the rpm range, that hardly happens in a racing encounter. Especially with a steptronic, if you stomp on the throttle, you are in the upper rpm ranges instantly.

I'm Pretty sure having more power/torque in the meat of the power band (3000-5000rpm) is going to be useful in just about everything other than a pre-choreographed high-rpm drag race. I can't say that I've always been in the right gear, all the time, when trying to go fast. Or maybe I'm just lazy because I'm happier when I can just stay in one gear and not shift.

-shiv

tek818 · 10-19-2007, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Got some more going out early next week which should get us all caught up with those who have been charged (and then some).

-shiv

Those are the words I was waiting to hear... thanks bro

vq352k · 10-19-2007, 03:04 AM

thank you Shiv, I hope my $1,600+ Will be enough to beat Spool's JB2

catdog · 10-19-2007, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by vq352k

thank you Shiv, I hope my $1,600+ Will be enough to beat Spool's JB2

Shiv, I also have a $1600 burning a hole in my pocket but i want to see results to justify the extra $

Do you have a 1.47 vs. 2.0 comparison on the dragstrip or on the road?

e.n335 · 10-19-2007, 06:09 AM

You will be more than excited for your $1600 ...

catdog · 10-19-2007, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by e.n335

You will be more than excited for your $1600 ...

Ok, if you say so, i'll get in line...

1clean335i · 10-19-2007, 06:41 AM

wow, interesting stuff..

scottp999 · 10-19-2007, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by catdog

Ok, if you say so, i'll get in line...

Current V2 map is considered conservative (mild) by the man himself, so you can expect in the future, medium and hot maps. My guess is we will see the additional 25-30 rear wheel horsepower to get us to 400 rwhp with v2.

RedGT3 · 10-19-2007, 07:19 AM

I think the Procede cars are going to have better trap speed but the the et's are going to be about the same.

Spool · 10-19-2007, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Brisk

Interesting but a bit hard to believe im sorry.

A JB2 is about dead even with a SSTT, does that mean the SSTT can keep up with a PROcede?? it cant really

Anyway 6 members from this board are making there way to the usual raceway in the next week to test out,

2 jb2 cars, 2 SSTT cars, and 2 PROcede cars... be on the lookout for that.. i have a feeling the PROcede will leave most of us in the dust. just my thoughts anyways.

good job meeting up, but how can all that extra power from the PROcede disappear. but than again the results will show next week. on the dyno there powers are way different, i cant see why it cant translate onto the real world.. make sure that PROcede is running well.

good job anyways

What's hard to believe, maybe my car is a ringer? I doubt it, and we can rule driver's error out of the equation cause we did it from a roll. Only factor is if Vq35 has a dead hooker in the trunk he's not telling me about...

But everything will be clear when i hit the track in november...we rented out the drag strip for the day....

zenmaster · 10-19-2007, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by scottp999

Current V2 map is considered conservative (mild) by the man himself, so you can expect in the future, medium and hot maps. My guess is we will see the additional 25-30 rear wheel horsepower to get us to 400 rwhp with v2.

380whp is with 15psi. 25-30rwhp must include 2 more psi for 17psi. I will not run this on 93 oct.

scottp999 · 10-19-2007, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by zenmaster

380whp is with 15psi. 25-30rwhp must include 2 more psi for 17psi. I will not run this on 93 oct.

I will run it, if others test it for a while first.

hotrod182 · 10-19-2007, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Spool

What's hard to believe, maybe my car is a ringer? I doubt it, and we can rule driver's error out of the equation cause we did it from a roll. Only factor is if Vq35 has a dead hooker in the trunk he's not telling me about...

But everything will be clear when i hit the track in november...we rented out the drag strip for the day....

I don't see what it so hard to believe about this. I know Driver 72 didn't have a dead hooker in his car when we tested dead even from roll-ons over and over. And I turned the quicker ETs, and MPH by the slightest amount.

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vq352k Private First Class 14 Rep 147 Posts Drives: F10 535xi, e92 335I (Ret.) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Nova iTrader: (0)	yup, everything he said is true, we went out tonight to do a few runs, i expected to pull a few CL's on him.. could not get him by an inch.. every run was exactly teh same...our cars had the same gas in it, no heat soaking, we tried our best to keep the two cars the same..well, there you have it. $350 for this kind of performance vs $1,430.. what more could you ask for??? and JB2 runs at a lower PSI 11.5 right???
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hotrod182 . 813 Rep 3,974 Posts Drives: 2023 i4 M50 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: California iTrader: (0)	Not surprising at all. The procede driver that I tested against stated we were exactly even. And we also tried about 3x in a row. Same results. Quite frankly, I was kind of upset I wasn't pulling on him on the roll ons with my JB2 sedan. The instrumented testing showed the fastest times by about .5mph in the qtr mile were from my JB2 sedan, no the Procede coupe. The procede being 1-2mph faster in the trap? Didn't happen in our head to head comparison. So I think from the launch, I am probably quicker. In regards to starting so slow that you are at the lower part of the rpm range, that hardly happens in a racing encounter. Especially with a steptronic, if you stomp on the throttle, you are in the upper rpm ranges instantly.
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