[Em135eye]

Yes TN but get to 100 and that gap widens to over a 1.5 seconds. Might not sound like a lot but it makes a big difference. I should think 1/4 mile times are quite different too (especially if Carlos is driving the 335d...!).

I don't have in gear times to compare but I suspect the 35d version is a lot quicker. I'm also rather suspicious of BMWs 0-60 times - how does a car with over 45bhp less only take 0.1s less to get to 60? Reminds me of Audis rather optimistic time for it's 3.0TDI (also 6.1s) A4 - a heavier, less powerful car but I guess it has AWD that helps.

I'm not in the slightest bit upset - my car is far from perfect but yes I like it and it's rapid. But when unsubstantiated information is bandied about based on vague opinions and easily blown away by facts, I'm all over it like a rash ;-)

Chris -they did indeed. And they said liked the fact it didn't have i-drive/satnav ;-)

[beemerbird]

This is exactly where so called stats never tell the whole story. Forget any manufacturers claims of speed times to a point. A car can be geared for initial accleleration providing the feeling of 'power' then tale off as superior bhp comes into play (or aids such as turbos), then there's driver capabilities - obviously! On the road we all know that overtaking capabilites are the test of a cars performance.

This is why track times hold no interest to me as they are ideal conditions where the car can be thrashed to hell and back, yeah great so what. In reality none of us will drive the car in that situation or if we do you can count on one hand the number of times we do it.

When cars are so close across the board performance wise, there will be little in it until you hit the eventual point where bhp will take over. You're then left with driver skills, ultimate balls and limits of grip or not as the case may be.

[wayne71]

Good, as far as I'm concerned the less people that know about 335D's the better, it makes watching their shocked face in your rear view mirror all the more pleasurable

I do understand the petrol heads contempt about auto boxes being for old people and reps but I don't get 330D drivers banging on about their manuals, its a diesel FFS!

[kaishang]

I can think of two reasons:

- the times are wrong or the 335d BMW is actually faster than the BMW time and the 330 matches the BMW time

- the 335d revs higher (an extra 500rpm over a 330d isn't it). A lot of the extra 45bhp comes from the extra rev range. For 0-60, the car spends a lot of time lower in the rev-range where the power output is closer.

Originally Posted by 335diesel

I don't have in gear times to compare but I suspect the 35d version is a lot quicker. I'm also rather suspicious of BMWs 0-60 times - how does a car with over 45bhp less only take 0.1s less to get to 60? Reminds me of Audis rather optimistic time for it's 3.0TDI (also 6.1s) A4 - a heavier, less powerful car but I guess it has AWD that helps.

[rsmallwo]

my 2p,

I own a 335d and with a map it is rapid no doubt. I reckon the 330d is a better value car though, for the lower cost of purchase and lower cost of ownership it is slightly better value £££ for the performance on offer. However, the 335d is the closest you will get to the petrol like performance/feel than the 330d. With its more linear power delivery and the hydro steering its more of a track oreintated car than the 330d.

BTW, a 335d is not an M3 on a track.....but the 330d isn't a 335d on a track if you get me.

I own a 335d as its the most affordable way to get really fast car with performance/reliability that looks good.

[Em135eye]

Kaishang - that "famous" test of the 335d vs 335i had the 335d getting 5.7s to 60 consistently.

Didn't know the 335d revved higher too.

[kaishang]

I'm a bit confused about what I was talking about now.... It's 330d vs 335d right? Anyway, 330d peak power is at 4000rpm and I think the 335d is around 4400 or 4500rpm.

Originally Posted by 335diesel

Kaishang - that "famous" test of the 335d vs 335i had the 335d getting 5.7s to 60 consistently.

Didn't know the 335d revved higher too.

[Em135eye]

Kaishang - 335i was slightly irrelevant. But it was in that test that the 335d got 5.7s to 60.

[ss134]

Originally Posted by toxicnerve

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the sole reason I bought my 335d...

No. Really, it is.

And this ladies and gentleman is someone who can't fathom a sarcastic post from a serious one - my sole priority if i were choosing between two diesels is how cool the name sounds and how many exhausts it has.

No. Really, it is

[andyp74199]

im an avid Evo mag fan and i honestly dont think they hate diesels, but obviously most fun models do tend to be petrol. I remember one article in particular that asked the petrol vs diesel question - it featured a Focus ST vs a Renaultsport Megane Dci 175, and it was written with a lot of thought and intelligence, as i recall they preferred the renaultsport tuned chassis of the megane and the revs/noise of the 5 pot ST but concluded that diesels have come along way and will continue to improve but ultimately gave the win narrowly to the focus.

[F31-340i]

Originally Posted by 335diesel

... the 335d got 5.7s to 60.

I didn't realise it was that slow to 60 - why is that?

Given its power and legendary status, I'd have expected it to be in the low 5s at least.

Even a 215bhp Imprezza is low 5s to 60.

[toxicnerve]

Originally Posted by ss134

And this ladies and gentleman is someone who can't fathom a sarcastic post from a serious one - my sole priority if i were choosing between two diesels is how cool the name sounds and how many exhausts it has.

No. Really, it is

Mate, I was being serious.

I really did buy my 335d for the dual pipes over the 330d...I wasn't kidding.

[m1bjr]

Originally Posted by beemerbird

track times hold no interest to me as they are ideal conditions where the car can be thrashed to hell and back, yeah great so what.

In reality none of us will drive the car in that situation or if we do you can count on one hand the number of times we do it

Speak for yourself...

No reason why a car that is very capable on track won't be a successful road car.
But the reverse is certainly not likely.


As for the comment above on take off times - traction is crap with RFT and no LSD 'man'
1/4 mile exit gate times are totally telling though (where the 0-60/60' times aren't) and a real indicator of power output.

[NFS]

Originally Posted by RagingKileak

I'm with him on this, used like a manual, you can really make a 335d move - undoubtedly, it is unlikely to be as much fun as the manual 330d (though I challenge anyone to REALLY, TRULY believe that any diesel is as FUN as a petrol) and hence, could feel faster.

Working a manual gearbox to its limits in and out of corners will always feel faster and more engaging than a big auto!

I agree. Manual 335i all the way for me.

[m1bjr]

Diseasals just sound like tractors.

And thats where it all ends for me.

[zltm089]

Here we go again...its turning into Manual v/s Auto and Petrol v/s Diesel.....lol

0-60 and 0-100 performance are quite important to give you an "idea" of what the car can do....and theres a list of other factors....power output, power delivery within the rev range, torque converters, LSDs, etc....

I have to say that AUTO gearboxes are SHIT and they shouldn't be available on 335i or 335D....

[zltm089]

Originally Posted by ///ajd

I didn't realise it was that slow to 60 - why is that?

Given its power and legendary status, I'd have expected it to be in the low 5s at least.

Even a 215bhp Imprezza is low 5s to 60.

Not much difference in real life driving....0-60 ....

BMW claims 5.4 Secs for the 335i.....
Maserati Gran Turismo claims 5.2 ....

Real life, I was ahead by half a car!!!!....

[doughboy]

Originally Posted by m1bjr

Diseasals just sound like tractors.

And thats where it all ends for me.

4 pot diesels are the worst offenders of course, but the 6's are much more melodic in their clatter.....

.......more like a bus or HGV.

[andyp74199]

i can also 'blow away' the competition in my 4 pot,

just the other day i was following a massey ferguson cunningly fooling it into thinking I was its rival - a john deere, only to out drag in less than 100 yards of dual carriageway, the look on his face was something i'll never forget - the chump

















mind you, you should've seen the size of his rear wheels jeeesus talk about 'staggered fit'

[Em135eye]

andy -

///ajd - diesels have never had strong 0-60s, whatever power they kick out and you know that. Get to 100 and mr Chav in his Impreza is a few seconds behind. Rally reps do great "off the lights" acceleration then run out of ideas by 70ish.

And why the "335i is better" cr4p from the usuals?

Yes they sound nicer. But it still got beaten by a 335d around a track and the 335i isn't so quick when it breaks down.

[xenon]

Jesus. How do you unsubscribe from a thread?

[Em135eye]

You subscribe to threads?

Geek.