[Sparky68]

Originally Posted by gIzzE

Always those that have not tried them that consider them unnecessary.
What happens when your kid or wife gets crushed under a sliding car?
I bet you change your tune then.

Someone always has to cross the line.

[zltm089]

Originally Posted by gIzzE

The reason people need them now is we no longer go round on 145 wide 14" wheels om cars that weigh 850kg, we drive round on 265 wide 18s or bigger in cars that weigh 1800kg and we have tyres that are designed for fast tarmac that are often asymmetrical in pattern and keep the snow in the treads turning them into skis.

People who think 'winter tyres give slightly more grip' just make themselves sound extremely ignorant.
They make a huge difference from November to March all round and when it does snow the difference is on a different level grip wise.


I think anyone caught driving in snow with summer tyres on should get 6 points, it is more dangerous than someone who is .1 over the drink drive limit, yet seems to be accepted over here.

No problem with people who don't wan to buy them, just with selfish pricks who think it is OK to slide across the road or drive passed my kids school in snow on summer tyres.

Typical selfish UK attitude.

ohh please, it's all about the driver and not the tyres!

Just because someone drives in winter and doesn't have "winter" tyres doesn't make them a selfish prick!

People should just be aware of the conditions and know the limit of their car/ tyres!

I've seen a council garbage/rubbish lorry sliding all over the place in a residential, and it looked like the driver and his colleagues were having lots of fun! cocksuckers like these should get a good beating.

It's all about educating these fucktard drivers out there, who can't park, can't drive, and don't know that, when it's wet or it snows the road will be slippery and to drive accordingly!

[zltm089]

Originally Posted by Hotcoupe

Same can, and it's opened every year.

Same conclusions as in every other year.

It's just amazing that everybody that drives on summer tyres in the winter, is still alive to trot out the same responses every year

more pop corn Ian?

[gIzzE]

Originally Posted by Sparky68

Someone always has to cross the line.

That was my point, slide across it totally out of control.

[gIzzE]

Just my opinion and don't expect anyone to agree with it, but if someone drives in snow in a car that can't be controlled properly they to me are as selfish as someone who drink drives.

[gIzzE]

Originally Posted by zltm089

Just because someone drives in winter and doesn't have "winter" tyres doesn't make them a selfish prick!

No, but someone who drives in snow on summer tyres is a selfish prick.

[Jase 320d]

I drive on snow in summer tyres!

Esp and winter mode in my missus golf tsi


Will still drive better than a bmw with winters on!






Touche

[gangzoom]

Originally Posted by gIzzE

That was my point, slide across it totally out of control.

I see buses sliding across the road every winter when the snow comes down, really quite a scary sight.

Have to say the main reason I've put winter tyres on my wives FWD car is mainly due to massive difference in stopping power compared to summer tyres. Having experienced just how much better winter tyres are on snow I simply feel much more comfortable knowing she will be able to stop better. Yes it doesn't stop other people from crashing into her car, but at least it means she has a better chance to avoid accidents.

For me its worth spending a few £££ for the extra piece of mind, for others it might not be and I certainly don't think they should be made a legal requirement purely because of how little snow we get here in the UK...but for all those doubting the better grip winter tyres provide in the snow/icy conditions, I think you need to try them for your self before you can really comment on just how effective or ineffective they are.

I know one thing for sure, last winter when I finished a long day this what the car park at work looked liked. Quite a few colleagues had to spend the night at work because they couldn't get out of the car park, if I didn't have winter tyres I'm sure I would have joined them I know the best thing to do in bad snow is not to drive anywhere but with my job that simply isn't a option.

[gIzzE]

Originally Posted by Jase 320d

I drive on snow in summer tyres!

Esp and winter mode in my missus golf tsi


Will still drive better than a bmw with winters on!






Touche

Bollocks!

[gIzzE]

My Mercs have been worse than my BMWs in snow, this was 600km from Calais in deep snow, the pic below shows the two inside lanes covered in drifts, we did the 600km in 6 hours.

Where as people with summers on were pulled up on as they couldn't go further....



That is the problem, over there they pull over when they can't move, over here they simply sit in the lane with the attitude "If we can't move then I will just clog the lane.".

[Kerr]

Originally Posted by gIzzE

Just my opinion and don't expect anyone to agree with but if someone drives in snow in a car that can't be controlled properly they to me are as selfish as someone who drink drives.

Continental have 8M difference from 50km/h between snow and summer tyres. 35v43m.

http://www.continental-tyres.co.uk/w...winter_en.html

You can get more than 20% difference between good and bad tyres for normal driving.

Snow tyres will help, but the chances are still if you have to react suddenly to something, you are still very likely to hit it.

[MrPogle]

Standout fact in the below is that when the winter tyres have braked to a standstill from 30mph the summer tyres are still doing 25mph.

[Jase 320d]

For the 2 days of snow we get i'll keep the £600+ in my back pocket and choose not to drive

[E60525d]

Just read this thread and I cant believe some people are still referring to them as snow tyres. Some people are just plain ignorant or possibly worse!

They are called WINTER tyres and are superior to summer tyres for a several months at this time of the year. They provide better traction improving stability and braking.

[gIzzE]

Originally Posted by Kerr

Continental have 8M difference from 50km/h between snow and summer tyres. 35v43m.

http://www.continental-tyres.co.uk/w...winter_en.html

You can get more than 20% difference between good and bad tyres for normal driving.

Snow tyres will help, but the chances are still if you have to react suddenly to something, you are still very likely to hit it.

I don't agree with that, the braking distance between summers and winters is far greater. Mind you the conti winter sports I had were crap! So I wouldn't be surprised if that was all they managed.

At 100kmph the official distance is 37m shorter on winter tyres on snow.

Have a look at this site and test 3 in the videos.....

http://www.etrma.org/activities/tran...e/tyre-testing

[mob17]

I've never used winter tyres. I used summer tyres when it snowed at the start of this year, and that was my first 335D driving experience Just had to be a bit more careful, but no real issues. Perhaps winter tyres would have made things easier/safer, but for a few days a year, i'll just have to be more careful than my usual self

By the way, why isn't car insurance lowered if one uses winter tyres in the winter? It obviously reduces the risk.

[rs32]

for the first time on any car in 20 years of driving and maybe 20 or so different cars I'm going for winter tyres this year.

If we end up with a few really bad days of snow I'll just work at home - if we have to go out for an emergency then maybe they'll help that 20-50% you need to get through bad country lanes etc.

But mostly I'm going for them so that on cold, wet mornings when it's not quite freezing - or when it is - and you need to brake suddenly, then maybe the car will stop sooner than if on summer tyres.

I think that's worth the ££ - giving yourself the opportunity to avoid a prang or not hit something/someone more seriously (or even just making it through more difficult conditions).

[E60525d]

Originally Posted by rs32

for the first time on any car in 20 years of driving and maybe 20 or so different cars I'm going for winter tyres this year.

If we end up with a few really bad days of snow I'll just work at home - if we have to go out for an emergency then maybe they'll help that 20-50% you need to get through bad country lanes etc.

But mostly I'm going for them so that on cold, wet mornings when it's not quite freezing - or when it is - and you need to brake suddenly, then maybe the car will stop sooner than if on summer tyres.

I think that's worth the ££ - giving yourself the opportunity to avoid a prang or not hit something/someone more seriously (or even just making it through more difficult conditions).

Completely agree. Its the additional safety they provide in the cold and wet conditions.

[gIzzE]

People said we didn't need seatbelts, we didn't need abs, we didn't need airbags, but they have become accepted.
It is not until you have used winter tyres that you get it.

[225_AB]

If you can stay at home in bad weather that's fine but plenty of people can't. Man maths about the cost are just plain wrong. The cost of tyres is spread over a number of years use and as mentioned above also prolongs the life of your other tyres as they are used less. The more people that stay at home in bad weather the better as far as I am concerned.

[Hotcoupe]

Originally Posted by mob17

I've never used winter tyres. I used summer tyres when it snowed at the start of this year, and that was my first 335D driving experience Just had to be a bit more careful, but no real issues. Perhaps winter tyres would have made things easier/safer, but for a few days a year, i'll just have to be more careful than my usual self

Amazing stuff Mob, it's stories of survival such as yours that are so inspiring.

A driver prepared to run the risk of running summer tyres in the depth of winter is up there with the stories of Sir Ranulph Fiennes, and his struggles in the Arctic.

Well done Sir

[gIzzE]

Originally Posted by Hotcoupe

Amazing stuff Mob, it's stories of survival such as yours that are so inspiring.

A driver prepared to run the risk of running summer tyres in the depth of winter is up there with the stories of Sir Ranulph Fiennes, and his struggles in the Arctic.

Well done Sir