Paddle Function Change?

Mk23 · 05-18-2009, 04:58 PM

So lately I have noticed that the 3 series has a very strange paddle setup... Pull in = Shift up, Push out = Shift down. Most cars have... Right pull = Shift up, Left Pull = Shift Down. Does anyone know how to setup the 3 series paddles this way?

andrewh · 05-18-2009, 05:05 PM

It's actually very intuitive to me. Pushing out is like shifting down from 4th to 3rd gear on stickshift. Pulling in is like shifting up.

I believe only a few manufacturer "does it right" (or so Car & Driver says): BMW, Mazda and 1 or 2 more. May not be to everyone's liking, but I like it the way it is.

VTECaddict · 05-18-2009, 05:10 PM

what about downshifting from 3rd to 2nd and upshifting from 2nd to 3rd?

andrewh · 05-18-2009, 05:13 PM

Good argument - but when downshifting from 3rd to 2nd you have to slide the shifter to the left, so it's not really a direct analogy of pulling in the lever.
Anyway, it IS a subjective topic.

yomama69 · 05-18-2009, 05:14 PM

How is it setup on an F1 car?

Mk23 · 05-18-2009, 06:34 PM

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JeepJeep · 05-18-2009, 06:40 PM

Looks like I was majorly wrong...

Maxx2 · 05-18-2009, 06:50 PM

I did this to my 09 335i and it makes a world of difference. I have driven SMGII and SMGIII equipped M cars for the past 7 years so this was a "must do" for me.

Very easy to do and can easily be reversed. No cutting/splicing required. Just move a few pins around in the paddles and you're done.

Here are the specifics for the functions described above:

Left Connector
1) Remove the wire and pin that go to pin 3 and tape off the exposed pin (disables push function)
2) Remove the wire and pin that go to pin 1 and install it in the pin 3 location (converts pull function to downshift)

Right Connector
1) Remove the wire and pin that goes to pin 1 and tape off the exposed pin (disables push function)

More detailed instructions can be found here:
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=699

Mk23 · 05-18-2009, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxx2

I did this to my 09 335i and it makes a world of difference. I have driven SMGII and SMGIII equipped M cars for the past 7 years so this was a "must do" for me.

Very easy to do and can easily be reversed. No cutting/splicing required. Just move a few pins around in the paddles and you're done.

Here are the specifics for the functions described above:

Left Connector
1) Remove the wire and pin that go to pin 3 and tape off the exposed pin (disables push function)
2) Remove the wire and pin that go to pin 1 and install it in the pin 3 location (converts pull function to downshift)

Right Connector
1) Remove the wire and pin that goes to pin 1 and tape off the exposed pin (disables push function)

More detailed instructions can be found here:
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=699

THAT is what I was looking for. Appreciate the help Max.

brbheels · 05-18-2009, 08:20 PM

Or you could get the DCT paddles which are plug and play and designed with right side upshift (+) and left side downshift (-). When I first drove my car I was used to driving other paddle shift cars that were designed the 'right way' as far as I am concerned. I was killing my transmission for the first day constantly shifting opposite of what I meant to.

The other benefit is that the DCT paddles have a much more 'positive' feel to them than the stock paddles do. They 'click' with each shift. The stock paddles feel mushy in comparison.

Although they are a bit pricey for what you get, they are one of my favorite mods that I feel make a big difference in everyday driving. The action on them is much closer to that of the F1 paddles on Ferraris. If you do a search on DCT paddles you'll find more info. But if the other suggestion works just as well and doesn't cost anything other than a few minutes of your time, I'd start there!

Mk23 · 05-18-2009, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brbheels

Or you could get the DCT paddles which are plug and play and designed with right side upshift (+) and left side downshift (-). When I first drove my car I was used to driving other paddle shift cars that were designed the 'right way' as far as I am concerned. I was killing my transmission for the first day constantly shifting opposite of what I meant to.

The other benefit is that the DCT paddles have a much more 'positive' feel to them than the stock paddles do. They 'click' with each shift. The stock paddles feel mushy in comparison.

Although they are a bit pricey for what you get, they are one of my favorite mods that I feel make a big difference in everyday driving. The action on them is much closer to that of the F1 paddles on Ferraris. If you do a search on DCT paddles you'll find more info. But if the other suggestion works just as well and doesn't cost anything other than a few minutes of your time, I'd start there!

Yeah, the only issue I see for getting the M3 Paddle is if I end up selling the car later on down the road...

VTECaddict · 05-18-2009, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mk335i

Yeah, the only issue I see for getting the M3 Paddle is if I end up selling the car later on down the road...

...the new owner gets a surprise goodie?

Mk23 · 05-18-2009, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTECaddict

...the new owner gets a surprise goodie?

More than likely a buyer will want a stock vehicle, not a modded one.

I hate even talking like I'm selling my car...

jho · 05-18-2009, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mk335i

More than likely a buyer will want a stock vehicle, not a modded one.

I hate even talking like I'm selling my car...

I see it as in improvement. I'm sure if you don't make anything of it when you sell it, the only people who would care/notice it would know it's from the M3 and at that point it becomes a positive point.

Mk23 · 05-19-2009, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jho

I see it as in improvement. I'm sure if you don't make anything of it when you sell it, the only people who would care/notice it would know it's from the M3 and at that point it becomes a positive point.

If I get bored of the stock paddles I might change it up. Besides, I'm a big fan of keeping things stock looking.

adl320 · 05-20-2009, 02:14 AM

Huh, nice to know a simple change can be made for this. I wondered the same also. The first few days with step was a bit awkward. Now, I actually like the ability to shift up OR down on either paddle. I perhaps understand why BMW didn't make this an option but good to know a nice tip is there to make the switch.

irq5 · 05-22-2009, 01:44 AM

I did the quick rewire on the stock paddles and I love it. Feels much more intuitive and as has been said above - it's the right way for paddles to work.

I also got used to shifting with the pull / push action and it was actually difficult to acclimatize to the new "right" way of doing things, but it took maybe 10 minutes and I was up and running and like I say above - I love it!

Italian335i · 05-22-2009, 07:35 AM

How easy is this to do for wiring noobs?

Mk23 · 05-22-2009, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Italian335i

How easy is this to do for wiring noobs?

Looks pretty easy. The hard part looks to be (from a separate DIY's info) getting the steering wheel off and getting up enough balls to take out the airbag. I might get an interior savvy friend to do it for me.

RipsE92 · 05-22-2009, 11:49 AM

Do it right ... get the tri-stitched wheel and the DCT paddles!

kurtdaniel · 08-06-2009, 02:43 AM

nice to know a simple change can be made for this significant function..i just hope I can find a simple way to repair my aem cold air intake..

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andrewh Private 0 Rep 54 Posts Drives: Jet Black 335i Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: IL iTrader: (0)	It's actually very intuitive to me. Pushing out is like shifting down from 4th to 3rd gear on stickshift. Pulling in is like shifting up. I believe only a few manufacturer "does it right" (or so Car & Driver says): BMW, Mazda and 1 or 2 more. May not be to everyone's liking, but I like it the way it is. __________________ PAST: '82 Suzuki Jimny > '86 Daihatsu Charade > '86 Honda Accord > '90 Mazda 323 > '91 Honda Civic > '92 Toyota Corolla > '94 BMW 530i > '95 Honda Civic > '96 Honda Civic > '97 Mazda 323 > '97 Peugeot 406 > '04 Honda Accord EX V6 > '05 Honda Odyssey, CURRENT: '08 BMW 335i, '14 Honda Accord EX-L
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andrewh Private 0 Rep 54 Posts Drives: Jet Black 335i Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: IL iTrader: (0)	Good argument - but when downshifting from 3rd to 2nd you have to slide the shifter to the left, so it's not really a direct analogy of pulling in the lever. Anyway, it IS a subjective topic. __________________ PAST: '82 Suzuki Jimny > '86 Daihatsu Charade > '86 Honda Accord > '90 Mazda 323 > '91 Honda Civic > '92 Toyota Corolla > '94 BMW 530i > '95 Honda Civic > '96 Honda Civic > '97 Mazda 323 > '97 Peugeot 406 > '04 Honda Accord EX V6 > '05 Honda Odyssey, CURRENT: '08 BMW 335i, '14 Honda Accord EX-L
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Maxx2 First Lieutenant 110 Rep 331 Posts Drives: 18 X5M Join Date: May 2009 Location: NY iTrader: (1)	I did this to my 09 335i and it makes a world of difference. I have driven SMGII and SMGIII equipped M cars for the past 7 years so this was a "must do" for me. Very easy to do and can easily be reversed. No cutting/splicing required. Just move a few pins around in the paddles and you're done. Here are the specifics for the functions described above: Left Connector 1) Remove the wire and pin that go to pin 3 and tape off the exposed pin (disables push function) 2) Remove the wire and pin that go to pin 1 and install it in the pin 3 location (converts pull function to downshift) Right Connector 1) Remove the wire and pin that goes to pin 1 and tape off the exposed pin (disables push function) More detailed instructions can be found here: http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=699
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brbheels Second Lieutenant 12 Rep 207 Posts Drives: M440I Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: CLT iTrader: (10)	Or you could get the DCT paddles which are plug and play and designed with right side upshift (+) and left side downshift (-). When I first drove my car I was used to driving other paddle shift cars that were designed the 'right way' as far as I am concerned. I was killing my transmission for the first day constantly shifting opposite of what I meant to. The other benefit is that the DCT paddles have a much more 'positive' feel to them than the stock paddles do. They 'click' with each shift. The stock paddles feel mushy in comparison. Although they are a bit pricey for what you get, they are one of my favorite mods that I feel make a big difference in everyday driving. The action on them is much closer to that of the F1 paddles on Ferraris. If you do a search on DCT paddles you'll find more info. But if the other suggestion works just as well and doesn't cost anything other than a few minutes of your time, I'd start there!
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