[jimmywig]

I've read just about everything and was hoping someone could just tell me what will produce better sound quality in an E92 335i 2006

Out of the 13 speakers I will be replacing the mids and tweeters.

Options are:

1) Recode HU to HiFi, run some quality aftermarket amps

2) Replace L7 with Modbridge DA1 and TOSLINK to an Audison prima

3) Replace L7 with Modbridge DA3 and analog to some quality amps


Haven't heard any aftermarket stereos in these cars yet so any comments appreciated

[Nastymateo]

I upgrade to the bavsound speakers with the ghost subs all at the same time I was happy with the upgrade for about the last 2 years. Now I want more. I'm looking into upgrading the amps now to push more power. But I'm in the same boat as you. I can't say anything bad about bavsound speakers they are an upgrade over stock. I'm trying to find the best way to upgrade my stereo now. I drive a e90 so no amp upgrade from them. They may have one for the e92

[ctuna]

If you are committed to really upgrading the system and have some
big Bucks to part with

audio tec fisher Helix/amp dsp of your choice. 6 DSP or V8 they may have
something else by now. (see helix / match website)audiotec fisher.
The better speakers are Jehnert , Morel , Gladen , Helix Match
to name a few.
If you want to go real nuts Jehnert door boards with up to
6 6.5 inch speakers plus the stock speaker tweeter location.

Jehnert xe 200s in the floors (they are real audiophile speakers), Morels in the doors if they fit
can be problem with the e92,93

Recode to Hi Fi.

https://technicpnp.com/product/logic...-applications/

[jimmywig]

great list

this is nice
https://www.audiotec-fischer.de/en/h.../p-six-dsp-mk2

These door boards and speakers are actually a pretty good deal
https://www.jehnert.de/en/shop/doorb...y-soundsystem/

So you think keeping it digital and using a DA1/Da3 will never sounds as good as recoding to HiFi and going from there?

thanks heaps btw

[ctuna]

If you have the money to blow on the DA3 it looks like it
will make life easier in that you don't have to recode and I
believe it retains the Head Unit Controls.(logic 7 settings
and equalizer you should check that)
But if you get and amp/dsp from helix the mobridge kind of duplicates a lot of what the Helix amp/dsp does.


I don't see a lot of people here using the mobridges
So hard to compare.

Are you in Australia or Florida ?
Florida has a Melbourne.

If you are in the US in Florida you might want to call or
get in touch with Unexpected Creations in Edison NJ
they rep all this stuff.

How can you have an 06 335 those where and 07 release in
the states?

Also you do have to cut our the lower portion of the stock doorboard
to install the Jehnert doorboards.

Since the da1 is and optical translator you need amps capable
of reading Toslink of which there aren't many.

[ctuna]

Looks like Helix has there own Most adapter now

SDMI25 gives you optical in from Most bus to there amp/dsp's

no coding needed sweet

https://www.audiotec-fischer.de/en/h...ssories/sdmi25

Went to revisit the Helix/amp/dsp's you might investigate this

[jimmywig]

hey mate im in Melbourne, Australia

I recognize the lower storage compartments will need to be cut
Have you seen any instructions on this?

connecting an Audison Prima to a DA1 is an option

https://www.audison.eu/wp-content/up...Tech_Sheet.pdf

OR

https://www.audison.eu/wp-content/up...Tech_Sheet.pdf

certainly not cheap options

otherwise i could try the DA3 to some quality amp and see how i go

Really just need to decide whether to Recode to HiFi or not

many ways to skin a cat..

[jimmywig]

Originally Posted by ctuna

Looks like Helix has there own Most adapter now

SDMI25 gives you optical in from Most bus to there amp/dsp's

no coding needed sweet

https://www.audiotec-fischer.de/en/h...ssories/sdmi25

Went to revisit the Helix/amp/dsp's you might investigate this

This is cool I have never seen it, i don't understand how it differs from the DA1 however

[ctuna]

My guess is it does the same thing and is a lot cheaper
as this opens up a lot of business for them.

There have been several company's that have come up with
Most converters in the last few years Dynavin and Avin being
two of them. The ones they have out just do a front channel to
analog conversion. Mobridge was the first I believe Rockford Fosgate
came up with something to the DA3 but one of the
better known guys with a shop here as in the one I mentioned sayed
there was something about the RF that didn't work.

[ptpending]

if you already have logic7 system and plan to upgrade tweeters and mids the best way for you is to install individual audio upgrade, because it is almost plug and play for l7 owners

[jimmywig]

Originally Posted by ctuna

My guess is it does the same thing and is a lot cheaper
as this opens up a lot of business for them.

There have been several company's that have come up with
Most converters in the last few years Dynavin and Avin being
two of them. The ones they have out just do a front channel to
analog conversion. Mobridge was the first I believe Rockford Fosgate
came up with something to the DA3 but one of the
better known guys with a shop here as in the one I mentioned sayed
there was something about the RF that didn't work.

SDMI25 is actually more expensive than the DA1, thats why i was trying to figure out what the difference is.

My Audio guy is against the DA3, says he prefers the sound and interface on the DSP on the Audison P8.9BIT

He reckons the below setup:

Mobridge DA1 $499
toslink cable free
Front splits :APBMW4KE RRP $499 your price $399
rear speakers APBMWX4E RRP $399 your price $325
subs APBMWS84 RRP $399 Your price $325 x2 =$650
Processor / amp AP8.9BIT RRP $1249 your price $999
cables / consumables $50
labour full day $875
Total $3800
USD = $2728.22

[ctuna]

Where did you get the price on it?
The audison has only a 35 watt per channel output.
x8 channels(L7 claims 40 watts)at least the is what I looked
up.
A Helix v8 is 75 watts a channel at 4 ohms x8 plus
two extra dsp channels for subs or whatever.
I think the helix 86 dsp even comes in at 55 watts
by 8 if I recall correctly.

http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBa...74945000&ver=0

Can't see the point in 35 watts a channel
especially for the under seats, if you are trying to upgrade.

http://www.pasmag.com/car-audio/test...plifier-review

I am just not impressed by Audison for price performance.

[jimmywig]

Originally Posted by ctuna

Where did you get the price on it?
The audison has only a 35 watt per channel output.
x8 channels(L7 claims 40 watts)at least the is what I looked
up.
A Helix v8 is 75 watts a channel at 4 ohms x8 plus
two extra dsp channels for subs or whatever.
I think the helix 86 dsp even comes in at 55 watts
by 8 if I recall correctly.

http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBa...74945000&ver=0

Can't see the point in 35 watts a channel
especially for the under seats, if you are trying to upgrade.

http://www.pasmag.com/car-audio/test...plifier-review

I am just not impressed by Audison for price performance.

Im sure the sound quality will be better but in terms of running speakers... you may be right

The Match v eight is an extra $500 here, the 86 is similar but we don't seem to have any local suppliers for these

[6spdcoupe]

Recoding would be the most cost effective but if interfacing then the SDMI25 would be easier and more versatile despite the minimal cost difference.

Helix V Eight would be the best amp for this followed by the PP86. If they're a Helix dealer then they should be able to easily source the Match gear.

Unsure of the speakers you listed as I can't seem to find anything that matches those p/ns.

[ctuna]

Hey 6spdcoupe what do you know about Helix's new Most device?
Approximate Cost and how it compares to the Mobridge.

Any info the SDM125 does it retain the Logic 7 functions.

What do you think of the Helix Match Speaker sets?

His parts are all audison stuff they are on the audison site.

[6spdcoupe]

Originally Posted by ctuna

Hey 6spdcoupe what do you know about Helix's new Most device?
Approximate Cost and how it compares to the Mobridge.

Any info the SDM125 does it retain the Logic 7 functions.

What do you think of the Helix Match Speaker sets?

His parts are all audison stuff they are on the audison site.

Simplistic (jumpers vs programming) and about half the size otherwise a wash between the two. List is currently set at $600 so not a huge cost difference.

As I recall it does but I could be wrong.

They're fairly basic but effective for the cost, an upgrade vs HiFi for sure though.

Oh, then meh. lol

[jimmywig]

Originally Posted by 6spdcoupe

Simplistic (jumpers vs programming) and about half the size otherwise a wash between the two. List is currently set at $600 so not a huge cost difference.

As I recall it does but I could be wrong.

They're fairly basic but effective for the cost, an upgrade vs HiFi for sure though.

Oh, then meh. lol

no impressed by the audison kit? i haven't heard it but the helix v eight is better, well at least everyone I have spoken to has said this.

so im thinking

DA1 > Helix V Eight > focal speakers all round

thinking about ditching the center speaker, anyone else agree with that?

[6spdcoupe]

Originally Posted by jimmywig

no impressed by the audison kit? i haven't heard it but the helix v eight is better, well at least everyone I have spoken to has said this.

so im thinking

DA1 > Helix V Eight > focal speakers all round

thinking about ditching the center speaker, anyone else agree with that?

Not even a little bit. V Eight would definitely be my choice.

That would be better, sure. Speakers are quite diverse so going with what fits your tastes best would be the ideal approach rather than just what fits physically and the budget.

Absolutely agree. Not a fan of centers but then again I'm not a fan, at all, of rears either.

[jimmywig]

Originally Posted by 6spdcoupe

Not even a little bit. V Eight would definitely be my choice.

That would be better, sure. Speakers are quite diverse so going with what fits your tastes best would be the ideal approach rather than just what fits physically and the budget.

Absolutely agree. Not a fan of centers but then again I'm not a fan, at all, of rears either.

Ok i have ordered the helix v eight, pretty much based on what you guys have said because i haven't heard the audison or match.

Now im praying my guy does a good tune, he has never tune one before and has mainly tuned audison

any tips for this DSP? i have heard there are a LOT more features and tuning options

[ctuna]

DSP

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1384218
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1383653
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1381697

In the above there is some of the links of 14 part ytube series
on how to tune a dsp using a helix .

The Helix website has a bunch of software on it for your pc and the adjustment process . It basically duplicates what the guy on ytube did.
There may be a few new features by now.
Check the Helix website they are always updating there
PC software.

Controls may be little different but the process would be the same
for any DSP.

You can download the software now and start playing with it.
Helix and Match are the same company . I think its kind of like cars where you have Toyota and Infinity .
Though it's kind of a blurry difference.

https://www.audiotec-fischer.de/en/d...ool-version-4/

If it was me I would want to tune myself.
As for the speakers be sure they are power matched
whatever you get.

[6spdcoupe]

Originally Posted by jimmywig

Ok i have ordered the helix v eight, pretty much based on what you guys have said because i haven't heard the audison or match.

Now im praying my guy does a good tune, he has never tune one before and has mainly tuned audison

any tips for this DSP? i have heard there are a LOT more features and tuning options

If he knows what he's doing and how to tune then he will do a fine job unless he is the type to deliberately do something wrong in order to alter your feelings of the product and make a sale. Definitely not implying he is that type but they are out there. Tuning is the same regardless of device just a matter of a different user interface. In this case the Helix software is more user friendly than anything out and it is a good bit more flexible than the Audison.

I strongly suggest, after he does a preliminary setup, that you have him let you sit in the vehicle and tell him what you want changed. Of course break in time of the drivers will have some affect here but even for a pretty basic start you should be able to listen.

[jimmywig]

Originally Posted by 6spdcoupe

If he knows what he's doing and how to tune then he will do a fine job unless he is the type to deliberately do something wrong in order to alter your feelings of the product and make a sale. Definitely not implying he is that type but they are out there. Tuning is the same regardless of device just a matter of a different user interface. In this case the Helix software is more user friendly than anything out and it is a good bit more flexible than the Audison.

I strongly suggest, after he does a preliminary setup, that you have him let you sit in the vehicle and tell him what you want changed. Of course break in time of the drivers will have some affect here but even for a pretty basic start you should be able to listen.

I PM'd you about the Logic 7 FYI