[fazman]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

One concern of Mobil 1 FS 0w40 losing LL-01 approval is that the oil cannot last BMW's 10-15k OCI(extended drain?).

If the extended drain requirement is not needed, then maybe non-synthetic with 3k-mile OCI will work just fine even with N20 turbo, right?

When I contacted M1 about the loss of the LL-01, the rep had no idea. As I pressed him for more details and to investigate it with a product specialist... then he gave me the answer that i expected that it does not have the LL-01 any more. No details could be provided further than that tho. I did ask if the formula for the oil had changed? Do they need to re-certify? what was the reason for the loss of the LL-01 label? etc... but got no answers from M1 directly.

Personally... I think it will be fine to use in your n54 or n55 like always... but don't run longer than 7500 miles or one year.

[John 070]

As I said I'm set with the Mobil 1 0w40 LL-01 for 3 more changes. But I decided to look at that Castrol Edge Euro 0W40 while at Walmart. It is $22.97 and I believe that it is LL-01 and made in Germany. Why bother with $9/qt is the way I look at it, just get this stuff. p.s. all the Mobil 1 5 qt jugs are no longer LL-01, but they had individual ones still showing LL-01 @ $7.95 ea....

[tc535i]

Originally Posted by John 070

As I said I'm set with the Mobil 1 0w40 LL-01 for 3 more changes. But I decided to look at that Castrol Edge Euro 0W40 while at Walmart. It is $22.97 and I believe that it is LL-01 and made in Germany. Why bother with $9/qt is the way I look at it, just get this stuff. p.s. all the Mobil 1 5 qt jugs are no longer LL-01, but they had individual ones still showing LL-01 @ $7.95 ea....

Yup. My walmart was out of ll-01 m1 so I got the 0-40 edge. No issues so far.

[svt1998gt]

I made the switch to pentosin 5w30, couldnt find any reviews on it and it wasnt cheap. It has the LL01 stamp and asked the bimmer guys here and they have heard good things about it.

[Meeni]

I have now made the switch from M1 0w40 LL01 to Castrol A3/B4 0w40 LL01.

I must report that I am very pleased with the switch. The engine is a lot quieter (especially tappet noises), and the idle is a noticeably steadier (and by that I mean measurably, with the INPA rough test gauges). I know fresh oil versus old oil is unfair, but this is more than just what you'd expect from just changing for the same. It seems like the Castrol oil keeps the pressure in the vanos better.

[JoeyH335i]

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I found a Mobil 1 0-40 at Autozone with the LL01 on it. I asked the guy there and surprisingly he knew what I was talking about. He said that was the last one they had but he's using the Castrol 5-30 in his BMW. That's why he didn't buy it himself. The higher viscosity of the 0-40 might be a little much for the kind of warm weather we have. He said his 3 series seem to run a little smoother with the Castrol 0-30.

I think I may have to switch to try it.

[JoeyH335i]

I forgot to add the picture to the last post.

Picture of side by side.

[bluescoupe]

I have made the switch to Lubri-Moly 5W30.
And Castrol is easily available at local points if needed.
All LL-01

so long Mobil One

[hellokitty]

https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/m...synthetic-euro

ll-01 approved.

Can’t seem to find it anywhere though.

[Red_Bean_Bun]

Subbed.

[fazman]

Originally Posted by hellokitty

https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/m...synthetic-euro

ll-01 approved.

Can’t seem to find it anywhere though.

Can't wait for this to get in stock at my local walmart, tho I have been told I should change my oil every 5000 miles and not 7500 miles?

[hellokitty]

Originally Posted by fazman

Can't wait for this to get in stock at my local walmart, tho I have been told I should change my oil every 5000 miles and not 7500 miles?

I do it every 5k max for peace of mind even though my oil analysis says I can run for 6,500 miles.

[leif20]

Here's a bump.

I am running this oil in my 2006 330i with N52B30. Previously ran Castrol 0W40 until it wasn't sold in Canada anymore, so I went with the M1 0W40. Performance seems to be just fine. With the Castrol I was burning around 1qt every 2k miles, with the M1 perhaps 1qt every 2.5k miles.

However, I am starting to see some codes popping up in the DME. I had a Check engine light set a few weeks back, and am seeing the following codes intermittently:

- 29F4 and 29F5 Cat 1 and 2 below threshold
- 2C7F Lambda probe after catalytic converter 2 trim control (too lean)
- 2a2f mixture regulation 2 - Mixture too rich

Could this be a result of the higher SAPS (Sulfated Ash, Phosphorous, and Sulfur) in the oil? Or is it likely that my O2 Sensors are on their way out? Not sure if either of them has ever been replaced. I may change this oil out and run Motomaster OEPlus 5W30 which is rebranded shell oil, and LL04 approved.

What does the forum think?

[hassmaschine]

Originally Posted by leif20

What does the forum think?

it's been 6 years since the change. I'm still waiting for my BMWs to explode because I don't use "BMW approved" oil. I won't hold my breath..

I really don't think any of your codes have a thing to do with what brand of oil you use.

[virtual_law]

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

it's been 6 years since the change. I'm still waiting for my BMWs to explode because I don't use "BMW approved" oil. I won't hold my breath..

I really don't think any of your codes have a thing to do with what brand of oil you use.

Are you running mobil 1 for the last 6 years you're saying?

[lookalikehuuh]

Originally Posted by virtual_law

Are you running mobil 1 for the last 6 years you're saying?

Personally I have always run Mobil1 0w40, even after they lost the LL-01 certification. My N52 is now at 220k miles and my FBO, E60 tuned N54 is @ 130K without a single lubrication related issue.

[marvinstockman]

The point with certification is that BMW makes the oil companies pay for certifications.

The other point is that if Mobil One was Mercedes certified when it also was LL01 certified and is still Mercedes certified, I would worry more about Covid than motor oil.

[PhaseP]

Originally Posted by leif20

Here's a bump.

I am running this oil in my 2006 330i with N52B30. Previously ran Castrol 0W40 until it wasn't sold in Canada anymore, so I went with the M1 0W40. Performance seems to be just fine. With the Castrol I was burning around 1qt every 2k miles, with the M1 perhaps 1qt every 2.5k miles.

However, I am starting to see some codes popping up in the DME. I had a Check engine light set a few weeks back, and am seeing the following codes intermittently:

- 29F4 and 29F5 Cat 1 and 2 below threshold
- 2C7F Lambda probe after catalytic converter 2 trim control (too lean)
- 2a2f mixture regulation 2 - Mixture too rich

Could this be a result of the higher SAPS (Sulfated Ash, Phosphorous, and Sulfur) in the oil? Or is it likely that my O2 Sensors are on their way out? Not sure if either of them has ever been replaced. I may change this oil out and run Motomaster OEPlus 5W30 which is rebranded shell oil, and LL04 approved.

What does the forum think?

One thing to check is the connection points between the exhaust pipes coming from the engine and the middle pipes. The flanges used there are cast iron and rust out and can leak exhaust. These are close to the secondary 02 sensors (after cat converters) and any leak throws their readings off.

If it is leaking you will see black soot accumulated.
I would be surprised if a Canadian '06 car would not have those flanges and the nuts and bolts used completely rusted out already.

[PhaseP]

Originally Posted by marvinstockman

The point with certification is that BMW makes the oil companies pay for certifications.

The other point is that if Mobil One was Mercedes certified when it also was LL01 certified and is still Mercedes certified, I would worry more about Covid than motor oil.

I found out Pentosin also lost their BMW certification. A year ago they had. Don't know what is the deal.

[hassmaschine]

Originally Posted by virtual_law

Are you running mobil 1 for the last 6 years you're saying?

8 years now

[lowrydr310]

Originally Posted by PhaseP

I found out Pentosin also lost their BMW certification. A year ago they had. Don't know what is the deal.

All of it or just one specific product? I have Pentospeed Super Performance 5W40 in my car now, added a few months ago and it has the LL-01 certification. I now have a lifter ticking that was quiet with the BMW branded oil.

[virtual_law]

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

8 years now

Originally Posted by lookalikehuuh

Personally I have always run Mobil1 0w40, even after they lost the LL-01 certification. My N52 is now at 220k miles and my FBO, E60 tuned N54 is @ 130K without a single lubrication related issue.

Roger that. I think I used Castrol before but gonna go Mobil 1 0w-40 this time around since it's readily available. Car is an early 2007 build, January actually. 335i e93 stock auto with around 50k miles. Hot and humid climate here, also have a ticking which I think is the injector tick. Lets see if the change in oil does anything.