[Gibbo]

Ajd, if you like manual cars I think you will get bored with the 335d quickly and wish you had brought a 330d Manual. If you have 2nd car which is manual to enjoy at the weekend the auto probably makes a better day to day car if you have a busy commute.

[F31-340i]

Originally Posted by needforspeed

The thing is that the M's have Sequential MANUAL Gearboxes. So there is a proper clutch not a sloppy torque converter.

Big difference.

Yes, I remember it fondly - I wasn't getting the 2 types mixed up.

I'm only after an auto 330/335d - I don't really see them as out and out performance cars so no manual for me. We've currently got a Mini Cooper S for fun driving - which I was intending to turn into a manual 996 Turbo of around 2003 vintage in the next year or so.

[Dave_3]

Originally Posted by needforspeed

a sloppy torque converter.

To be fair, the new updated ZF could never really be described as sloppy. At least not in comparison with other automatics.

The updated ZF is only fitted to the 335i/D.

D.

[Ant397]

Originally Posted by Z4 Beemer

I think the last posts from NFS, Miken and MattOz sum it all up. Its subjective - what 'feels' like a 'huge' difference to one person may not be perceived the same to another. I feel a bit of badge snobbery is also mixed in here as well.

Best thing is to drive the 330d and 335d (same variant - M Sport or SE) back to back with the same auto gearbox and judge for yourself. Let us know how you get on.

Totally agree there, it is all percieved, but I also find some posts, with mainly Carlos in mind here unfortuatley, a little nieve.

Carlos has never driven a 330d, more so he says he never wants to, but he still feels the need to preach about how big the differences are, without being able to give an objective view, so from this, I find I dont appreciate his posts too much. He also states that the 330d has lag... I have never found it... where is it Carlos?

[Oli]

Originally Posted by Ant397

where is it Carlos?

Pistonheads probably, that seems to be his new haunt........

[MattOz]

Originally Posted by OliH

Pistonheads probably, that seems to be his new haunt........

Probably right! His rose tinted and monumentally blinkered 335d views certainly wind people up on PH though. Not sure if that's to be applauded or derided.

Matt

[Dave_3]

Originally Posted by MattOz

Probably right! His rose tinted and monumentally blinkered 335d views certainly wind people up on PH though. Not sure if that's to be applauded or derided.

Matt

Leopard.

Spots.



D.

[MattOz]

Originally Posted by Dave_3

Leopard.

Spots.



D.

Don't know what you mean Dave.

[Dave_3]

Originally Posted by MattOz

Don't know what you mean Dave.

Just shorthand for an idiom about Carlos.

D.

[MattOz]

Originally Posted by Dave_3

Just shorthand for an idiom about Carlos.

D.

Gotcha!

[Steve A]

come on guys less of the carl bashing.

I have driven both cars and the 335d feels much much faster, as it should with 50bhp and 80nm more grunt....

The 330d can be specced with a manual and that will stop some people from driving the 335d......which would be a mistake as for an everyday road car it ticks most of the boxes apart from aural excitement, and even then it doesnt sound bad.

So to answer the OP, Yes the 335d does feel much faster than the 330d.

PS. probbaby not ants' as his is obviuosly ballistic.

[squeezebm]

Originally Posted by Steve A

come on guys less of the carl bashing.

I have driven both cars and the 335d feels much much faster, as it should with 50bhp and 80nm more grunt....

The 330d can be specced with a manual and that will stop some people from driving the 335d......which would be a mistake as for an everyday road car it ticks most of the boxes apart from aural excitement, and even then it doesnt sound bad.

So to answer the OP, Yes the 335d does feel much faster than the 330d.

PS. probbaby not ants' as his is obviuosly ballistic.

Yeh thats Stevies Job hows your Mam??

[CD]

when i was looking a buying my coupe i had the advantage of being able to test them back to back at the dealers becasue amazingly they had the two on demo at the same time a manual 330d and the auto 335d. I must admit i did originally go in with the purpose of convincing myself the 330d was sufficient for me and my budget. I drove it for about 15 miles on a variation of roads and yeah as i expected it was dam quick !! BUT then i swoped to the 335d , 15 miles later my mind was blown by the sheer power of the car and my pocket was emptied at the same time... the descision was made straight away, i had to have the 335d.

The 330d is a brilliant car and is fast enough to be exciting for most people, but dont make the mistake and then test a 335d ''BECAUSE THERE REALLY IS NO COMPETITION ''

[Ant397]

Originally Posted by Steve A

come on guys less of the carl bashing.

I have driven both cars and the 335d feels much much faster, as it should with 50bhp and 80nm more grunt....

The 330d can be specced with a manual and that will stop some people from driving the 335d......which would be a mistake as for an everyday road car it ticks most of the boxes apart from aural excitement, and even then it doesnt sound bad.

So to answer the OP, Yes the 335d does feel much faster than the 330d.

PS. probbaby not ants' as his is obviuosly ballistic.

Give it a couple of months and I will pay for a couple of hours play at Bruntingthorpe for R&D purposes obviously and who comes along can all have a play in a proper Drivers car!

[roofer]

Originally Posted by Ant397

Give it a couple of months and I will pay for a couple of hours play at Bruntingthorpe for R&D purposes obviously and who comes along can all have a play in a proper Drivers car!

Your car has a petrol engine conversion???

[Dr.Crap]

Originally Posted by Ant397

Give it a couple of months and I will pay for a couple of hours play at Bruntingthorpe for R&D purposes obviously and who comes along can all have a play in a proper Drivers car!

The question of this thread was what feels faster of the 2. The person asking the question is buying an auto - whether it be a 330d or a 335d. You have turned the thread into how great a manual 330d in tuned form i.e. your car is.
This is totally irrelevant.

I've driven both along with a manual 330d, and the 335d is faster (figure wise) and feels faster. And that is the simple answer to the initial question. If a thread comes up about the best drivers diesel - well fair enough you may have a point.....

[dxb335d]

Originally Posted by Steve A

come on guys less of the carl bashing.

I have driven both cars and the 335d feels much much faster, as it should with 50bhp and 80nm more grunt....

The 330d can be specced with a manual and that will stop some people from driving the 335d......which would be a mistake as for an everyday road car it ticks most of the boxes apart from aural excitement, and even then it doesnt sound bad.

So to answer the OP, Yes the 335d does feel much faster than the 330d.

PS. probbaby not ants' as his is obviuosly ballistic.

Cheers Stevie mate

I will test drive one now just for the hell of it

Originally Posted by Ant397

Totally agree there, it is all percieved, but I also find some posts, with mainly Carlos in mind here unfortuatley, a little nieve.

Carlos has never driven a 330d, more so he says he never wants to, but he still feels the need to preach about how big the differences are, without being able to give an objective view, so from this, I find I dont appreciate his posts too much. He also states that the 330d has lag... I have never found it... where is it Carlos?

Maybe i am nieve, who cares, im young and enjoy my car.. i aint saying your 310bhp 330d aint good i know it is, im just saying stock for stock the 335d is the faster car. Thats my opinion, you have your opinion so why slate me by calling me nieve.

I would love to drive a 310bhp 330d. Im sure it goes like stink.


Re lag, just from what i have heard, a slight delay in throttle response, must be lag?! I aint suggesting it has the lag of a t4 rs500 or anything but im sure there is some lag there otherwise bmw wouldnt not have fitted to turbochargers to that engine...?!

[NFS]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Maybe i am nieve

More likely to be niave

[dxb335d]

Originally Posted by needforspeed

More likely to be niave

Once again

You got nothing better to do?

did you not notice ANT spelt it wrong to? or is it only when i make mistakes you point them out?

[NFS]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Once again

You got nothing better to do?

did you not notice ANT spelt it wrong to? or is it only when i make mistakes you point them out?

Chill out Carlos - it was a joke

Look up the meaning of the word naivety:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/naivety

The person who first used the word made a common spelling mistake.

Your re-use of the word with the identical spelling is a classic example of naivety.

No offence was meant - I though you would get the joke

[big pimp]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

You need a re-mapped 330d to be close to a stock 335d. Even then its not quite as driveable real world, due to lag etc and lack of the other turbo.

i have to disagree with you here mate...

my 330d remapped wille easily sit with guy from my towns 335d, and it fells like it has more 'legs' than his. so i would say (in my own personal experiences) that my remapped 330d is better than a stock 335d

[Ant397]

Just for the record and the sake of arguing...

I would have thought it obvious personally that if you drive a stock 330d auto and compare it to a 335d auto, the 335d would feel faster. How can it not? I dont think anyone has said it doesn’t (reading up the full topic). What has been said by some is that:

1. It doesn’t feel much faster.
2. You dont really need the extra power.
3. A 335d is much faster than a 330d.
4. Its a little faster.
5. A properly fettled 330d manual can be made to feel faster and be faster than a 335d.
6. Basically all the possible points of view of the rainbow.

What adj has to do is look at peoples posts and how they drive and what they want from a car and decide which view is applicable to his.

The points of my posts are of enlightenment, I have been places, done things in and done things to these cars that (and im going out on a limb here) No one else in the UK has. So from my factually enriched experiences, if you dont want to be bound to what BMW offer, in the spirit of the topic as to whether a 335d feels faster than a 330d, a 330d can be made to feel faster and physically be faster than a 335d if thats what you want...

Another point, I am far from being a troll and would never stoop that low, if people think that I preach the manual 330d angle too much it’s because there are some naive people and some badge snobs that refuse to believe and I am just passionate about what I do. I speak the truth, I am talking from experience and I think I can offer some good info on this subject. But please if I haven’t shed some more light onto a topic that I feel I have responded too, just let me know.

Carlos, I have never slated you or anybody else on a public forum, what I said was that from your own inexperiance/nievaty , stating points with no basis, means that I lost interest in some of your posts, thats all and I still feel it, it was far a slating dude.