1st oil change and a question.

742 · 09-27-2010, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Socom

Do you have a grey market car? There is no BMW manual in world for an E90 which spec's Mobil 1 5w-30. Maybe M1 5w-30 ESP, but that oil is limited for only a few countries in Western Europe.

The owners manual for my April 2006 production US spec E90 lists both Mobil 1 5W-30 and 5W-40. Obviously it is wrong. Unfortunately BMW's poor response to this editing oversight has contributed a great deal to these oil wars.

F32Fleet · 09-27-2010, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 742

The owners manual for my April 2006 production US spec E90 lists both Mobil 1 5W-30 and 5W-40. Obviously it is wrong. Unfortunately BMW's poor response to this editing oversight has contributed a great deal to these oil wars.

Is it mentioned for top-off ? I'm surprised M1 would be mentioned when Castrol is their oil of choice. I'm looking at an '06 manual for a 325. Do you know what page it's on?

jvangel · 09-27-2010, 09:01 AM

cb1111,.......first off, I know the internet separates (protects big mouths) so they can make "ass" comments. Think before you type,.....matter of fact, act as if my 6'1" 225lb person is in front of you discussing this subject. My attitude is not an issue here,......it's yours that's starting to go sour. And to respond to your amsoil comment as if I wouldn't read this,.....yes, Amsoil 5W30 would work just fine. Trust me !

My comments are solely based on whats in my manual. If BMW was truly that concerned about an oil then they would automatically send a revision to newly registered owners when a new name is attached to the Vin #.

I watch oil wars all the time on the Harley forums, and the one war has to do with using Mobile 1 15W50 instead of the recommended 20W50. I've only used 15W50 and have NEVER had an issue with 3 different Harley's with loads of miles.
Now cb1111,.........since you seem to have seen everything but the wind and done everything but died, do you think you can answer my original question when I started this thread ? I'll re-type it for you:

I reset the oil reminder light (whatever you call it) and it changed the date to 6-11-2011 and the mileage shows 13000 now. Is there any way for me to change those parameters, like taking the mileage to 5000 and the date to 6 months, or am I stuck with what it reset too ?

742 · 09-27-2010, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Socom

Is it mentioned for top-off ? I'm surprised M1 would be mentioned when Castrol is their oil of choice. I'm looking at an '06 manual for a 325. Do you know what page it's on?

[EDIT] Text is as shown in the above post.

I also own a 2003 1.8T Passat, so this was not my first experience with bad oil recommendation in an owners manual. Why these North American divisions of German car makers can not get their own oil standards straight is a mystery.

cb1111 · 09-27-2010, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jvangel

cb1111,.......first off, I know the internet separates (protects big mouths) so they can make "ass" comments. Think before you type,.....matter of fact, act as if my 6'1" 225lb person is in front of you discussing this subject. My attitude is not an issue here,......it's yours that's starting to go sour. And to respond to your amsoil comment as if I wouldn't read this,.....yes, Amsoil 5W30 would work just fine. Trust me !

My comments are solely based on whats in my manual. If BMW was truly that concerned about an oil then they would automatically send a revision to newly registered owners when a new name is attached to the Vin #.

I watch oil wars all the time on the Harley forums, and the one war has to do with using Mobile 1 15W50 instead of the recommended 20W50. I've only used 15W50 and have NEVER had an issue with 3 different Harley's with loads of miles.
Now cb1111,.........since you seem to have seen everything but the wind and done everything but died, do you think you can answer my original question when I started this thread ? I'll re-type it for you:

I reset the oil reminder light (whatever you call it) and it changed the date to 6-11-2011 and the mileage shows 13000 now. Is there any way for me to change those parameters, like taking the mileage to 5000 and the date to 6 months, or am I stuck with what it reset too ?

So now you're threatening me with bodily harm. Keep using your Mobile oil - is it made in Alabama?

742 · 09-27-2010, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jvangel

cb1111,.......first off, I know the internet separates (protects big mouths) so they can make "ass" comments. Think before you type,.....matter of fact, act as if my 6'1" 225lb person is in front of you discussing this subject. My attitude is not an issue here,......it's yours that's starting to go sour. And to respond to your amsoil comment as if I wouldn't read this,.....yes, Amsoil 5W30 would work just fine. Trust me !

My comments are solely based on whats in my manual. If BMW was truly that concerned about an oil then they would automatically send a revision to newly registered owners when a new name is attached to the Vin #.

I watch oil wars all the time on the Harley forums, and the one war has to do with using Mobile 1 15W50 instead of the recommended 20W50. I've only used 15W50 and have NEVER had an issue with 3 different Harley's with loads of miles.
Now cb1111,.........since you seem to have seen everything but the wind and done everything but died, do you think you can answer my original question when I started this thread ? I'll re-type it for you:

I reset the oil reminder light (whatever you call it) and it changed the date to 6-11-2011 and the mileage shows 13000 now. Is there any way for me to change those parameters, like taking the mileage to 5000 and the date to 6 months, or am I stuck with what it reset too ?

If you will look at the link provided to you at least 3 times on this thread, a link to BMW's own website, you will see that the wording in your owner's manual has been replaced. And if you look in your manual, just below the bottom of the picture, you will find a statement to the effect that current oil requirements will be found on the BMW web site.

So your manual is telling you to go to the web site for the current information. And that web site has been given to you. And that web site lists Mobil 1 0W-40.

And here it is again:

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...ngineOils.aspx

And no, you can not change the parameters.

F32Fleet · 09-27-2010, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jvangel

cb1111,.......first off, I know the internet separates (protects big mouths) so they can make "ass" comments. Think before you type,.....matter of fact, act as if my 6'1" 225lb person is in front of you discussing this subject. My attitude is not an issue here,......it's yours that's starting to go sour. And to respond to your amsoil comment as if I wouldn't read this,.....yes, Amsoil 5W30 would work just fine. Trust me !

My comments are solely based on whats in my manual. If BMW was truly that concerned about an oil then they would automatically send a revision to newly registered owners when a new name is attached to the Vin #.

I watch oil wars all the time on the Harley forums, and the one war has to do with using Mobile 1 15W50 instead of the recommended 20W50. I've only used 15W50 and have NEVER had an issue with 3 different Harley's with loads of miles.
Now cb1111,.........since you seem to have seen everything but the wind and done everything but died, do you think you can answer my original question when I started this thread ? I'll re-type it for you:

I reset the oil reminder light (whatever you call it) and it changed the date to 6-11-2011 and the mileage shows 13000 now. Is there any way for me to change those parameters, like taking the mileage to 5000 and the date to 6 months, or am I stuck with what it reset too ?

Thanks. If you look at the copy of your manual available on BMW's website this reference to Mobil 1 has been removed. Your manual is incorrect.

cb1111 · 09-27-2010, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Socom

Thanks. If you look at the copy of your manual available on BMW's website this reference to Mobil 1 has been removed. Your manual is incorrect.

But has it removed any reference to Mobile 1?

F32Fleet · 09-27-2010, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cb1111

But has it removed any reference to Mobile 1?

What amazes me sometimes is that people don't understand that we're actually trying to help them.

Express · 09-27-2010, 09:54 AM

if you people think that you MUST USE LL-01 oils that last 15000 miles, good luck to ya.

cb1111 · 09-27-2010, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by express705

if you people think that you MUST USE LL-01 oils that last 15000 miles, good luck to ya.

You must use approved fluids in order to keep your warranty intact.

Express · 09-27-2010, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cb1111

You must use approved fluids in order to keep your warranty intact.

im at 83000 miles you think i care about a warranty that doesn't exist?

742 · 09-27-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by express705

if you people think that you MUST USE LL-01 oils that last 15000 miles, good luck to ya.

There is more to the LL-01 spec than the oil change interval.

This is not a BMW thing. In Europe the oil standards are controlled by the car manufacturers, and that is what their engineers work from. This is very different from the United States, where the oil standards --such as they are-- are set by the American Petroleum Institute.

So if you have a Mercedes Benz you need to respect the MB specs. As a bunch of Audi A4 and VW Passat owners learned the hard way, VW's oil standards also need to be respected. And then of course we have BMW. It is not marketing and it is not evil, it is just how the engineering is done on the other side of the pond.

Express · 09-27-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 742

There is more to the LL-01 spec than the oil change interval.

This is not a BMW thing. In Europe the oil standards are controlled by the car manufacturers, and that is what their engineers work from. This is very different from the United States, where the oil standards --such as they are-- are set by the American Petroleum Institute.

So if you have a Mercedes Benz you need to respect the MB specs. As a bunch of Audi A4 and VW Passat owners learned the hard way, VW's oil standards also need to be respected. And then of course we have BMW. It is not marketing and it is not evil, it is just how the engineering is done on the other side of the pond.

i that there are oil "requirements" and such, but im happy with mobil 1, other members on this forum are happy with mobil 1, the man with the highest mileage e90 on this forum is happy with mobil 1, and my car is happy with mobil 1.

F32Fleet · 09-27-2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by express705

if you people think that you MUST USE LL-01 oils that last 15000 miles, good luck to ya.

If you want a sure thing with 10-15k OCI's then it's strongly recommended. If you want to change ever 3k-5k miles then it probably doesn't matter all that much.

cb1111 · 09-27-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by express705

im at 83000 miles you think i care about a warranty that doesn't exist?

Hostile much? Are you related to the OP? You want to threaten me with your borderline obese bodysize as well? The OP has a BMI of 29.7 - a hair under the designation of "obese."

Express · 09-27-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Socom

If you want a sure thing with 10-15k OCI's then it's strongly recommended. If you want to change ever 3k-5k miles then it probably doesn't matter all that much.

thank you.

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Originally Posted by cb1111

Hostile much? Are you related to the OP? You want to threaten me with your borderline obese bodysize as well? The OP has a BMI of 29.7 - a hair under the designation of "obese."

haha no that was kind of a joke......

still on for that beer and 5 guys?

btw- my BMI is like 23 =D

742 · 09-27-2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by express705

i that there are oil "requirements" and such, but im happy with mobil 1, other members on this forum are happy with mobil 1, the man with the highest mileage e90 on this forum is happy with mobil 1, and my car is happy with mobil 1.

I have run a lot of Mobil 1 through my E90. The 0W-40.

But here are the requirements in simple graphic form. Read the approvals on the back of a bottle of oil and click away.

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/.../pc/index.html

And what is "high mileage"? I have a 234,000 mile BMW sitting next to the E90 in the garage.

Express · 09-27-2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 742

I have run a lot of Mobil 1 through my E90. The 0W-40.

But here are the requirements in simple graphic form. Read the approvals on the back of a bottle of oil and click away.

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/.../pc/index.html

And what is "high mileage"? I have a 234,000 mile BMW sitting next to the E90 in the garage.

the guy with the highest mileage e90 is on this forum. of course there are bmw's with more, but im specifically talking about E90's.

cb1111 · 09-27-2010, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by express705

haha no that was kind of a joke......

still on for that beer and 5 guys?

btw- my BMI is like 23 =D

Sure - I gotta get that BMI up so I can duke it out with the OP. You need to bulk up on fat too.

Express · 09-27-2010, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by cb1111

Sure - I gotta get that BMI up so I can duke it out with the OP. You need to bulk up on fat too.

bacon cheeseburgers and large fries!!

742 · 09-27-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by express705

the guy with the highest mileage e90 is on this forum. of course there are bmw's with more, but im specifically talking about E90's.

But what is his mileage?

I find it hard to believe that there can be a true "high mileage" E90 yet. Anything with high miles is almost certainly going to have built up most of them on the highways, which of course is a very benign environment.

Now when the car has been around for 10 years and the ones that have been doing a mix of driving are hitting 200k, then we will have some data. By which time 98% of this forum will have moved on to something else.

But as long as we are on this subject. I have a concern with Mobil 1 5W-30. It carries very few approvals and it is being marketed through the big box stores, who as we all know put tremendous pressure on their suppliers to cut costs. And I can not help but notice that the claims being made for Mobil 1 5W-30 EP are the same ones that used to be made for the straight Mobil 1 5W-30.

In short, I don't trust that the Mobil 1 5W-30 on the shelf today is anything like the Mobil 1 5W-30 that I used to buy. Which comes back to the reality that the only meaningful information we have as we walk down the oil aisle are the approvals in small print on the back of the bottles.

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jvangel New Member 3 Rep 28 Posts Drives: 2006 325i Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Virginia iTrader: (0)	cb1111,.......first off, I know the internet separates (protects big mouths) so they can make "ass" comments. Think before you type,.....matter of fact, act as if my 6'1" 225lb person is in front of you discussing this subject. My attitude is not an issue here,......it's yours that's starting to go sour. And to respond to your amsoil comment as if I wouldn't read this,.....yes, Amsoil 5W30 would work just fine. Trust me ! My comments are solely based on whats in my manual. If BMW was truly that concerned about an oil then they would automatically send a revision to newly registered owners when a new name is attached to the Vin #. I watch oil wars all the time on the Harley forums, and the one war has to do with using Mobile 1 15W50 instead of the recommended 20W50. I've only used 15W50 and have NEVER had an issue with 3 different Harley's with loads of miles. Now cb1111,.........since you seem to have seen everything but the wind and done everything but died, do you think you can answer my original question when I started this thread ? I'll re-type it for you: I reset the oil reminder light (whatever you call it) and it changed the date to 6-11-2011 and the mileage shows 13000 now. Is there any way for me to change those parameters, like taking the mileage to 5000 and the date to 6 months, or am I stuck with what it reset too ? Attached Images
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