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What are e90 owner's thoughts on the f30?
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12-21-2012, 01:10 PM | #111 | |
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You also stated that the V6 Accord is about $33k I guarantee you can get the base Civic for less than $16k And BTW, don't take things/math too seriously... PS: the base F30 is a complete junk! |
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12-21-2012, 01:12 PM | #112 | |
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12-21-2012, 01:19 PM | #114 | |
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Really?! I surely don't think so. I also prefer the E46 to the E90 but that doesn't make the E90 junk. The F30 is a lot more rigid chassis then the E90 and with few suspension tweaks I am sure it could hold more than it's own. |
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12-21-2012, 01:29 PM | #115 | ||
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I still hold that loaded V-6 Accord's sticker for $31-34k, if I am wrong, show me loaded Accord for a decent amount less. Again, Civics, show me the Civic for under $16k(and no not $15,895 lol) edit: starts at $18k now!!! http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-sedan/ I am not taking things too seriously at all. This debate has now been going around for awhile and all my counters are valid with 98% accuracy to back it up. If I am off by a tenth or $100 bucks, I am still doing fine for myself lol. Quote:
I have had boosted 4's from Saabs to VW's as one of my cars for 15 years now. They have been reliable(except for the VW lol) when maintained well. Don't think the N20 makes 19psi, it makes that as a peak, it's variable. Magazines had my Viggen @20psi, that was peak and dependent on things like elevation. In fact at sea level it would not peak above 13psi. But in the press, boost of "upto" 20psi sounded cool. When I tuned it to peak at 18psi, it was a whole other animal.
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12-21-2012, 01:34 PM | #116 | |
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I drove a Sport Package F30 335i at the "olympic event" they had in April. Much different experience. Felt about as fast as my E92. Exhaust sound was way cool. Too many options on that car though - I don't care for a HUD with big digital numbers telling the cop behind/next to me how fast I -know- I'm going, or a steering wheel that shakes to let me know I'm slightly off center in my lane. But I see how some people would like that. At the same event I drove a non-sport 328i and I had the same impression of the suspension. The sport package is de rigeur for any enthusiast driver. If I needed the space I'd take an F30 over an F10 any day. The F10 is full-on 7 series size. But for now quite happy with my cozy E92.
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12-21-2012, 02:41 PM | #117 | |
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I just cant say the same about the F30. I love the styling, the interior is MUCH better (yes, even the screen) and the N20/8-speed drivetrain is sublime; in many ways I do think of the F30 as an E90 with some of the kinks worked out (gas mileage on an E90 is abysmal)....but I don't think I can convince myself that it's worth owning because the "Ultimate Driving Machine" experience has been very watered down (yes - the F30 I drove was loaded, so I tried everything I could to like the way it handled). My question: Porsche just made the same transition to electric steering to gain MPG and the automotive press is singing praises about how the feeling is still there...if Porsche can do it, why can't BMW? |
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12-21-2012, 03:06 PM | #118 | |
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Porsche sells more specific cars to a much smaller audience. For BMW, The steering change will alienate 15% of existing buyers but at the same time might bring in 20% of people who were on the fence. I like the steering in my M-Sport and was never impressed with the E90 steering.
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12-21-2012, 03:26 PM | #119 | |
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If some some say a house is price at mid $500K, does it have to cost exactly $550000? If you want to round it off, anything above $43333 is rounded off to mid $40K. I do not think its unfair to compare a end of cycle E90 to a brand new F30. If you want the lastest and the greatest, you have to paid dearly and paid dearly the F30 owners did. BMW threw in a bit more than just the value package for the 2011 E90. Like I said earlier, I option out the E90 and the F30 as close as I can, one option I could not compare was the back up camera since its not offer in the E90. The rear view camera is a $400 option on the F30, so the E90 is still $7600 ahead. Let me ask you this, what is the point of a keyless start if you need to take out your keys to unlock the doors, I can not believe you are actually happy with that. Dont get me wrong, we are still keeping an eye on the F30. Once BMW fix the steering, the engine note and bring the price back down to earth we will test drive it again. I figure by the next LCI, BMW will have everything right on the F30. |
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12-21-2012, 04:18 PM | #120 |
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I honestly think it sucks.
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12-21-2012, 05:00 PM | #121 | |
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MSRP is straight forward and isolates the other variables and makes car to car comparisons more tolerable. Same thing for EPA MPG. Just because I am able to average 40mpg does not mean I will tout it over Hybrids that EPA estimates to average 40mpg. Again, too many factors, my personal driving style, stop and go, highway...and on and on. EPA does scientific testing to take variables out of it again. So when an F30 gets 35 on the highway and an something else gets 30, those numbers have some meat to them. Keyless start for me, I disarm the car long before getting in it and have the key back in my pocket, I get in the car and go. I like it. When I had an E90 loaner it felt odd to me to have this bulky key that I would insert into the dash and depress. It's what you get used to.
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12-21-2012, 05:55 PM | #122 | |
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The F30's keyless still make no sense to me, if I have the key out to unlock the door, its actually an extra step to put the keys back in my pocket. Comfort access is the best, but the F30's comfort access do not have door sensors in the back, which is kind of a pain too. The F30's keyless start is free, or should I say paid for in the MSRP, so I guess one cannot complain about it too much. |
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12-21-2012, 07:33 PM | #123 | |
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4 visits in 2 months of ownership, I'd say pretty reliable single person experience But I deeply love the car, I dropped it at the dealership (again) this morning and I've been missing it since...
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12-21-2012, 07:35 PM | #124 |
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But what were those 4 visits for? And are the tech's at your dealer competent and fixing the issues the first time? Many questions.
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12-21-2012, 07:35 PM | #125 |
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BTW, what's considered "base" here?
328i with no options? Or no-line?
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12-21-2012, 07:37 PM | #126 | |
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Intertwined with those visits was my "guinea pig" experience of being the first on the boards to order/install the M Performance Suspension "kit"...which has necessitated the revisits. All in all, if it weren't for the seat/steering wheel/rattle issues (none of which I experienced with my Mitsu Evo VIII, Acura TSX or Acura RDX), I would've visited them twice (for the suspension upgrades).
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12-21-2012, 08:09 PM | #127 |
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Ive driven a few f30 328 loaners, the engine is pretty sweet but the steering....ugh. Even in sport mode it feels artificial and removed.
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12-21-2012, 09:04 PM | #128 | |
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12-22-2012, 08:42 AM | #129 | |
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12-22-2012, 09:15 AM | #130 | |
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Many manufacturers seem to be climbing the EPS learning curve, but I'm nonetheless stumped as to why, of all companies, BMW didn't get it right on the definitive sport sedan. Even Honda and Ford have done it better IMO, which is truly surprising, especially with respect to Ford. (At least Honda has years of experience with EPS, going back to the NSX and S2000.) Try a Focus ST, for example, which doesn't offer loads of feedback, but at least has strong on center tracking for a more "locked in" feel overall. I think BMW will respond to the criticisms, and seriously revamp the EPS to deliver more feedback, and a more traditional BMW feel. As I recall, they did this with the E90 after the first year model's steering was criticized for being too light. |
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12-22-2012, 01:57 PM | #131 | |
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I just went to the Dealership this morning (state inspection) and asked to test the base 2013 328i. It is not bad, however, not worth 70% of what they charge for it. And I can tell you, the feel, handling and steering is far from what I remember the base e90 was... |
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12-22-2012, 02:02 PM | #132 | |
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Those two should not even be compared... |
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