[Llarry]

Originally Posted by Llarry

Yesterday marked 72 years since the first flight of the Boeing YB-52 Stratofortress. Amazingly, the B-52H is still in service today and a B-52J with upgraded engines is under development.

As impressive is the longevity of the C-130. It first flew a couple of years later than the B-52 but note that C-130s are still coming off the production line almost 70 years later!

[Lady Jane]

For Corsair F4U-4 lovers.

[Llarry]

During the 1966 Vietnam War deployment of the USS Kitty Hawk (CVA 63), a number of aircraft in the air wing were given camouflage paint jobs on upper surfaces that would normally be gull gray. I believe I've posted at least one previous example.

Here's another: A North American RA-5C Vigilante recon aircraft of RVAH-13 on the deck of the Kitty Hawk. Hard to see, yes?

[flybigjet]

Originally Posted by Llarry

During the 1966 Vietnam War deployment of the USS Kitty Hawk (CVA 63), a number of aircraft in the air wing were given camouflage paint jobs on upper surfaces that would normally be gull gray. I believe I've posted at least one previous example.

Here's another: A North American RA-5C Vigilante recon aircraft of RVAH-13 on the deck of the Kitty Hawk. Hard to see, yes?

At first glance, I thought it was a pre-production/prototype F-111 as the B-Model (which never made it to production) was designed to be carrier based.

In fact, I had to do a little digging to make sure it wasn't.

Here's an interesting read about how the Navy killed the F-111B, resulting (sort of) in their acquiring the F-14.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-s...b-1-180969916/

Top Gun could have been a little different without the Turkey in it!

R.

[Lady Jane]

The Snoopy Dogfighter MK1. Shot down on its first experimental flight by its own ground crew.

[Llarry]

Edward "Butch" O'Hare, for whom Chicago's O'Hare airport is named.

Medal of Honor winner in 1942. Later Commander of Air Group 6 as a Lieutenant Commander. Tragically killed in action in November 1943 in early tests of night combat.

The aircraft is a Grumman F4F-3 Wildcat. No folding wings and only four .50 machine guns. The -3s were soon replaced by F4F-4s with both of those features. The folding wings allowed many more fighters to be embarked on the carriers.

[flybigjet]

Originally Posted by Llarry

Edward "Butch" O'Hare, for whom Chicago's O'Hare airport is named.

Medal of Honor winner in 1942. Later Commander of Air Group 6 as a Lieutenant Commander. Tragically killed in action in November 1943 in early tests of night combat.

The aircraft is a Grumman F4F-3 Wildcat. No folding wings and only four .50 machine guns. The -3s were soon replaced by F4F-4s with both of those features. The folding wings allowed many more fighters to be embarked on the carriers.

If you want to see an F4F-3, there's one on display in Terminal 2 behind the security checkpoint at Chicago International Airport-- otherwise known as ORD, or O'Hare.

It's not Butch O'Hare's actual plane, but has been restored to resemble the plane he was flying the day he had his Medal of Honor flight. It was dug out of Lake Michigan in 1992 and fully restored.

R.

[Lady Jane]

Originally Posted by flybigjet

It was dug out of Lake Michigan in 1992 and fully restored.

R.

According to these articles, another one was fished out of the lake about the same time and is in flying condition. Quite a feat of restoration.

https://www.jetsprops.com/news/a-pho...-michigan.html

https://generalaviationnews.com/2021...story-to-tell/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-s...raig-16045817/

[Llarry]

The last piston-engine aircraft flown by the U.S. Navy was this Grumman C-1A Trader assigned to the training carrier USS Lexington (AVT 16) and retired in 1988.

[Llarry]

The rule in the U.S. Air Force -- and to a large extent in the Navy and Marine Corps as well -- is that nothing gets done without aerial refueling tankers. The Boeing KC-135R soldiers on many years after its civil Boeing 707 counterparts have been almost completely retired.

The newer KC-46A is coming, but the majority of tankers are still the old KC-135R like this one.

[flybigjet]

Originally Posted by Llarry

The newer KC-46A is coming, but the majority of tankers are still the old KC-135R like this one.

Ah, the KC-46-- which is a lemon, even if it's brand new.

It's got half the capability of the KC-10 that it's now replacing at only double or triple the cost-- and it was *suppossed* to replace the venerable KC-135.

Which makes you wonder exactly how the much newer KC-10 got the ax instead of the much older KC-135's?

It holds the dubious distinction of the most critical (Red Flag) errors ever in an airframe when delivered. They've found LADDERS in the fuel tanks (and lots of fun other stuff) on delivery. Great quality control there, Boeing.

It really can't really pass gas or carry cargo or passengers very well, which basically makes it an airframe that literally can't do the job it was designed to do.

In fact, it's **SO** bad that the Commander in Chief of the Air Mobility Command tried to kill the program, which is a HUGE thing. That should have raised more than a few eyebrows.

There's a long and lurid history of how the KC-46 came into being- it only took Boeing three tries to stack the deck in their favor against better, more capable aircraft. Boeing lost a fly-off against Airbus's much more capable A330 tanker in the mid-2000's, threw a temper tantrum, convinced congress to have a "do-over" with a new, rigged contract requirement that Airbus couldn't make (despite having a far superior product), and finally got the contract.

People went to jail and lost their jobs, but Boeing got the contract.

Basically, Boeing put up a 767 variant instead of a 777 variant because the 777 was selling like hotcakes commercially (there wasn't even a freighter model yet as they were selling at full capacity) and they didn't want to waste production slots on the AF. So they shoved the no-longer being built 767 down the AF's throat to keep the production line open-- because nobody in the civil sector wanted that airplane anymore. Basically, Boeing sold an obsolete, no-longer-in-production airframe with far less capability than the airplane it was going to replace.

And the synthetic vision system (where the Boomer sits sideways and watches a video screen instead of being in a pod aft below the tail and using his eyes like all other tankers)? Doesn't really work-- HUGE flaring image issues (i.e. the receiver disappears) and the Boomers have trouble getting used to sitting sideways and trying to refuel via video game. What could possibly go wrong there?

And its now magically replacing the KC-10 instead of the KC-135 (which it was sold to the AF to replace). The KC-10 has a fuel capacity of 356,000 pounds of fuel: The KC-46 only carries 212,000 pounds, which is roughly equivalent to the the KC-135's 200,000 pounds. So, you are getting basically half of the refueling capability of the jet your'e replacing with your new toy-- which means more jets, crews, parts, maintainers, etc. Basically, far more cost for much less capability. Way to go, Congress!!

Yeah, not a fan, and anybody paying attention should be freakin' outraged!

Here's an article worth reading- especially if you read between the lines:

https://www.key.aero/article/story-b...asus-programme

R.

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by Llarry

The rule in the U.S. Air Force -- and to a large extent in the Navy and Marine Corps as well -- is that nothing gets done without aerial refueling tankers. The Boeing KC-135R soldiers on many years after its civil Boeing 707 counterparts have been almost completely retired.

The newer KC-46A is coming, but the majority of tankers are still the old KC-135R like this one.

I like the yellow stripe on the bottom. Reminiscent of the "rookie" yellow stripe on the rear bumper of NASCAR Cup cars

(Yes, I do know its purpose)