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11-26-2022, 12:00 PM | #903 | |
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I've posted on this threat a number of times as well as the Tesla thread and other threads regarding EV's and autonomous vehicles. I'm pretty comfortable with my common sense approach. |
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11-26-2022, 12:05 PM | #904 | |
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I highly suggest looking up tesla's FSD and all it's revisions and rethink that. When tesla first brought out their first version of FSD, it fucking sucked. This was only in 2020. Their autopilot system gets mimicked and yet their system is still better. Nothing comes close to tesla's FSD right now on the market for it's price point. Black tesla on youtube has repeatedly tested it's FSD and all it's revisions and took his car from NNJ to NYC midtown on FSD alone. The earlier programs had many errors but with each update, he documented it and it became better and better. So much that the same drive from NNJ to midtown that had nearly 20 errors and almost 2 accidents turned into ONE error. I don't full believe in fully autonomous at least for another decade. ANd i believe tesla will be the first. But even if the system was perfected, would you get into a car with no driver? Would you really trust your car, if it was battle tested to be flawless, to drive you from A to B without you doing anything? If not, then that's an irrelevant topic as of right now. But we will get there sooner than people think.
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11-26-2022, 12:14 PM | #905 | ||
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I'm pro EV, they are a great evolution in transportation. I'm anti-forced-solutions that have timelines that are unachievable, single-solution outcomes that that don't actually work for far too many. Quote:
I'm also anti-green-mandates that cause substantial long term waste for short term gains. Unlike some, I do actually care about this green shit. Like spending a dollar to save a dime, it costs more in the long run to feel good now. It's just stupid. |
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11-26-2022, 12:16 PM | #906 | ||
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11-26-2022, 01:48 PM | #907 | |
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The lowest price Model 3 is $63,440 with 274-mile range and self-drive, which is not yet released and has been pending for over a year now. The Model 3 is now 6 Model Years old. These are market prices that do not promote mass adoption of the EV platform. The rational buyer sees a Camry and Accord at $40K (for a higher trim level) and understands $20K buys 170,000+ miles of range in the vehicle's lifetime (around 10 - 12 years). Add to that the EV penalties (a) 25% range loss in winter months, 5-minute range recovery anywhere in the USA for ICE, and zero range anxiety for ICE, and the answer is obvious; and why EV adoption has to be forced by legislation. We get it that you have a hard-on for Tesla and them being the "greatest-selling EV of all time". But in reality, EV are 3 - 4% of the market; with Tesla just over half of that. The Ford F-150 sells 1M per year vs. the Model 3 hitting over 1M in worldwide sales in 5+ years. What you miss in all your bloviating, is all the diversified-model ICE sales competing against a few EV models from a few manufacturers. The EV has stalled at 300-miles of range and a 30-minute recharge rate (limited to Walmart parking lots) to get back to 80% battery capacity at a $60K point. The promise is better batteries and faster recharge rates, which we've been waiting for a decade now. And if the battery tech does improve, the cost curve starts all over again with expensive battery production cost to get absorbed into the pricing, which will again be subsidized by the US taxpayer or just dumped as Federal Debt on the heads of our children/grandchildren. But hey, let's save the planet! Last I read on the intranet yesterday, the population just hit 8B 11 days ago (Nov. 15, 2022) and the planet's maximum supportable population is 9B - 10B. At a population growth of about 1B per decade now, we've got 10 to 20 years left until mass starvation. LOL
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11-26-2022, 02:01 PM | #908 |
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This may have been already discussed, but I just watched a Road and Track YT video about the new line of EV Cars from Mercedes.
They are REQUIRING you to pay $1200 per year to get the full advantages of your car. That is BULLLLLLLLLLSHIT to me. They also mentioned that Tesla has this as well, but not as expensive or annually.
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11-26-2022, 02:25 PM | #909 |
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Automakers need stop making a majority of their EVs excessively and needlessly powerful. A vast majority don't need or want a vehicle that can do 0-60 in 2.5 seconds. For most, 0-60 in 6 seconds is plenty powerful. Plus the EVs would squeeze out more battery mileage because they'd have lighter and smaller motor(s).
We're still a LONG off from a viable EV SUV/truck that can tow or an EV that doesn't get it's mileage pummeled by the cold. Lastly, until you figure how easily and quickly charge EVs for those people that don't having a designated parking space/areas, there's no way you can have even 20% of the car owning public in EVs. |
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11-26-2022, 02:45 PM | #910 | |
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So let's not all attack EV's. Car companies do this for a reason. Some people might want a certain feature of a car but not everything else that comes with a "package". I guess it doesn't matter since they're coming anyway. But i suppose it's cool to debate to give yourselves false reassurance.
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11-26-2022, 02:49 PM | #911 | |
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At least not yet. MB is doing this in the USA.
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11-26-2022, 02:51 PM | #912 |
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And from what I remember with the BMW program, you can pay a one time / lifetime fee up front to get everything for life.
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11-26-2022, 03:42 PM | #913 | |
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I have no idea why the poor lady at Theranos is getting 11 years jail time. she never cashed any of her shares. but I do love Kia, WAG and BMW EVs! |
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11-26-2022, 04:57 PM | #914 | |
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I do believe this is ok to a certain extent, as i noted in my post you quoted. It is wrong if car makers in the future to just be tacking on fees for nothing. However that just proves my point that car makers have to catch up to tesla. While there is no doubt the MB EQ EV or whatever that model is is VERY NICE. I think MB interiors are THE BEST of ANY car maker, and yes MB shits on BMW with interiors, that 1200 annual fee is bullshit. Again, car makers will catch up to where everyone is on an even playing field and car buying will basically be about who is more brand loyal. And who has the better tech. Performance wise, i think in 2 decades every car maker will be exactly the same in terms of performance. You just have to pick which model you like looking at aesthetically and which has the better interior. Maybe i won't be a tesla owner in the future and i will get MB as my EV of choice. But right now, in terms of what an actual EV is, tesla is number 1. Will be that way for a while.
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11-26-2022, 05:35 PM | #915 | |
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I'm "tempted" to get into the EV world, especially interested in the KIA Ev6, which has new charging tech that gets you 80% battery in 15 minutes. Several YT videos give it a nod above Tesla, which is impressive. What I dont like is BMW, MB and others charging customers for normal shit you already paid for. I'm all for Capitalism, but this bullshit is going overboard.
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11-26-2022, 06:28 PM | #916 | |
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The EV6 GT is very nice. The interior is crazy good. Just like a normal ICE car. However for me, i like to see which car checks most boxes and the tesla still has it beat. Especially when it comes to performance. While that isn't really a big deal for a commuter, it is really fun. If i wanted to just get a car with better styling or interior, i wouldn't even buy an EV then, might as well get a regular ICE car to commute with. But i wanted an EV to commute. And i can never go back to an ICE daily. EV's are so good when you work out your charging situation, commute routes etc, it is so good. The last SC i used for my model 3 was at a wawa. I literally plugged it in, went inside, got some snacks, played some lotto. After all that, waiting on line, paying, i go out and sit on my phone for about 6-8 minutes and before you know it it was 80% already. The charging wait times isn't that bad if you know how to manage your time. But i know some people want instantaneous results. We'll get there trust me.
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ICE can go from zero state of charge to 100% charge in 5 minutes. That's the standard.
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Said that, I would not buy a year #1 car ever. Too many bugs to work out.
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And this is where charging time vs. ICE matters, towing and cold. Has anyone besides me question why there is no EPA MPGe rating for cold/winter operation of EV? And no manufacturer publishes the data either. Why because the range-anxiety buying public would not accept the reduced range. Best I can find is a minimum drop of 25% range on average.
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We bought a Ram 1500 ecoDiesel. The thing is brilliant, and it gets better than 30MPG in real world use with 1100Km range. Diesel fuel isn't cheap, but I will likely keep this thing for a long time and I will never have range anxiety. Last edited by Murf the Surf; 11-27-2022 at 12:24 PM.. |
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