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05-10-2011, 03:41 PM | #23 | |
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So why didn't meth activate when boost hit over 6psi? That doesnt sound like instant reponse to me? BTW 16-17 second mark....incase you look at the wrong data again |
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05-10-2011, 03:46 PM | #24 |
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Clap- this is all very old now.
You called me out on the injection psi. You were proven wrong. You commended on the flow/DC relationship. It was explained to you. You commented about the IAT drop. And I guess we can agree to disagree as to whether a $1 temp sensor element reacts instantly or takes 1-2 seconds. And then you claimed that these logs look no different than any number of logs you've taken when you were running stock+meth. And that, sir, is the most interesting claim you've made. A claim which many people who have logged their meth cars themselves are probably scratching their heads over. So perhaps YOU can post up some logs to prove your claim. Even your short 4 gear pull at the dragstrip showed a knock even. I just posted 5 minutes of logs, with 20-25 full boost gear pulls. On 91 oct (not 93 like you) and NOT ONE hint of knock retard. While running 9-10 degrees of timing min at full boost. Shiv |
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05-10-2011, 03:52 PM | #26 | |
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Now it's your time to post equivalent logs. Either that or just sit back and learn. |
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05-10-2011, 03:55 PM | #27 |
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22.91 next please, its hard to see data when you can actually see it if you know what I mean.
As for the the activation, doesnt the pump activate from the boost swithc in the charge pipe you have with your kit? meaning the manifold pressure doesnt mean squat. My logs will come if my car is ready over the weekend. Its currently at bmw again. I will replicate the partial throttle stuff the best I can, as for the wot stuff, its already been replicated by many on here, and currently I can't run boost that high, nor do I run the same timing maps...so untill ATR those will have to hold off, or you can simply look at the many posted on this forum |
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05-10-2011, 03:57 PM | #28 |
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05-10-2011, 04:08 PM | #31 | |
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"Because there are advantages of integrating a meth control system with the tune instead of referencing it off of IDC/fuel pressure (which, btw, is still heaps better than the boost-only reference used in PPS systems). Now we can adjust meth DC% as a flow of intake temp, average knock, gear, disable it between shifts, disable/enable it through the dash, trim during traction control intervention, adjust DC to maintain a desired fuel trim under boost. Most already implemented, the rest soon to be." Shiv from: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...=hfs-6&page=15 Last edited by scottp999; 05-10-2011 at 04:15 PM.. |
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05-10-2011, 04:09 PM | #32 |
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Nice logs. I'm impressed so far.
Clap, why don't you or anyone here ask Shiv for the logs and graph them up yourself? |
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05-10-2011, 04:12 PM | #33 | |
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As for the wot runs, I already said it will have to wait for ATR, or I can get my buddy again, i'll even dial in the same boost level, 16psi correct? It a good thing he has the same eaxt car with the same exact mods. He can drive, ill stare at the lap top. As for your activations, it would be nice to tell people what you use to activate, because half closed throttle is also half open throttle, so where does the throttle even have to be for meth to spray on your system? |
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05-10-2011, 04:12 PM | #34 |
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05-10-2011, 04:15 PM | #35 | |
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How is all of that really going to benefit you above and beyond the average meth kit? |
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05-10-2011, 04:26 PM | #36 | ||
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Imagine being given a clean sheet of paper to program methanol control. Would you simply base it off of charge pipe pressure. Oh wait, yes, that is what you would do. Well, most tuners, if given the opportunity, would base it off of actual throttle blade, IAT, boost, knock, etc,. This is called tuning. And you do it to optimize any given injection system. For instance, if I were to simply reference meth injection off of charge pipe pressure (as you recommend to everyone on this forum), what would happen when one sees a traction control event? Yep, they would flow max meth when the throttle is closed. Not so great. Is it "good enough"? For some, I'm sure it is. But when you develop a product from scratch, it's worth to make it the best it can be. Those who appreciate that will response positively. Those that don't appreciate (or understand) it, will try to do everything in their power to convince others that they are correct. These people will get some follows, all of them being even more misinformed than these people. Which will help there ego. But they will also alienate many people who actually understand the matters at hand. Fact of the matter Clap, is that you are so obsessed with your motivation that you dismiss information/evidence that clearly proves you wrong in many regards. I put up with your relentless Q/A sessions because it helps others understand. But after some time, they already get it. And I'm just left sparring with you. And that's boring and a waste of time. Shiv PS. ^ This is a good example of the people mentioned in bold above. |
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05-10-2011, 04:33 PM | #37 | |
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As for teh way I would activate meth, yes it would be off the charge pipe pressure because everything else is bullshit if the tune is working correctly. 6psi on/off Btw I don't know what happens to your car, but when my car has a traction control event, my bov goes off because the throttle slammed shut....However this is rare because my traction control is off when I am playing. You trying to teach me tuning is kind of pointless. But I guess you will soon find that out being that something is soon released that gives me the option to tune |
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I was not claiming anything except that clap has been railing against a system for days that's a few hundred more $, and he thinks it just turns on by the chargepipe boost, when many of the parameters in the software to make the meth spray decision have already been disclosed. Sometimes we can get so caught up in arguments that we let it slip that we will do anything to win the argument. I just want to enjoy my car (sorry yours is in the shop clap) People with all types of cars spend a few hundred extra on aquamist hardware. This application takes the IDC/fuel inputs and widens that dramatically. People want to call a purchase decision stupid, dumb, blind faith, whatever, I could care less. My background is systems development (not auto) and I can appreciate a development effort trying to take a standard way of doing things and make it more precise. If another tuner had come out with this idea first, I would be praising their ingenuity and the hours needed to take it to a point where it could be moved to production, and supported for the customer. |
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05-10-2011, 04:43 PM | #40 | |
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2. There is nothing wrong with the charge pipe activation 3. If some1 leaves traction on, and sprays the car, induces traction control, for a split second the meth will go against the throttle body and into the engine. Is this an issue? yea if you repeat it over and over again for 10k, you might at one point backfire or damage something....solution: Turn off your damn traction control system if you are going to fuck around lol. So as for my questions 1. Will you send me those files so I dont have to as you to zoom in on everything? 2. Which car do you want used for my version of the logs, mine or one identical to your test car |
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And use any car you want. I don't have nearly the interest in your logs as you have with mine. So knock yourself out Clap! Shiv |
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Better to initially get the raw data and ask questions. |
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05-10-2011, 06:10 PM | #44 | |
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