[stewbets]

I would appreciate it if everyone could be as immature as possible and keep the flaming to a maximum. Whatever you think is a reasonable response, please keep that to yourself and instead opt for insults. Please don't hold back with your blatantly offensive, honest assessment of that other E9x powerplant. I'll go first:

The N52 was designed for wusses who prefer reliability over performance. The girly men who drive them secretly wish they could man up and take on a real challenge.

[Smgs1992]

They cant handle a real engine or they cant research and wanna come here asking how to get more power 2 weeks after buying realizing how slow they are

[Smgs1992]

Originally Posted by AdM1nsarEas$

real question is why dont n54 guys just buy a real BMW (s65) and skip the middle step

Because we like to go fast

[Buug959]

[oVeRdOsE.]

Originally Posted by AdM1nsarEas$

real question is why dont n54 guys just buy a real BMW (s65) and skip the middle step

because, I dont know about your area, but people are scared about 'old' bmw, especially TT one.

You can find a in shape , no check engine, e90 335 pre lci, for 5-6000$ cad.

Add 2-3k$ in parts and tune , and its fast. And probably faster than any car in that price range.

[jwalker87]

They envy all the 'quality time' we N54 owners get to spend with our cars.

Who wants to drive a car, when you can instead spend all your time and money replacing injectors, turbos, water pumps, fuel pumps, walnut blasting, etc etc etc.

[stewbets]

Originally Posted by jwalker87

They envy all the 'quality time' we N54 owners get to spend with our cars.

Who wants to drive a car, when you can instead spend all your time and money replacing injectors, turbos, water pumps, fuel pumps, walnut blasting, etc etc etc.

This is a solid answer.

[TunafishE93]

I think because n52 owners were lied to. They bought the n52 for the reliability aspect but this forum is mostly issue with the n52. So they got a just as unreliable engine with less power. Its buyers remorse.

[neilvan]

Originally Posted by oVeRdOsE.

because, I dont know about your area, but people are scared about 'old' bmw, especially TT one.

You can find a in shape , no check engine, e90 335 pre lci, for 5-6000$ cad.

Add 2-3k$ in parts and tune , and its fast. And probably faster than any car in that price range.

This thread is for insults and offensive answers; not ones with sound reasoning

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by stewbets

I would appreciate it if everyone could be as immature as possible and keep the flaming to a maximum. Whatever you think is a reasonable response, please keep that to yourself and instead opt for insults. Please don't hold back with your blatantly offensive, honest assessment of that other E9x powerplant. I'll go first:

The N52 was designed for intelligent men who prefer reliability and performance. The girly men who drive N54's secretly wish they could have been smart enough to get the real, classic BMW engine.

FTFY.

[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by AdM1nsarEas$

Facts. There’s like 2 guys here with trouble free high mileage. The running costs of a shit box n52 is not worth it. And every n52 under 10k is a shot box.

E91s are ok tho. They only come in n52z

Man, what . I paid $8k for my E90 N52 two years ago when it had 67k miles on it. It's been running fine since then . All I've had to do was the VCG, brakes, and front control arm bushings

[stewbets]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

FTFY.

You just pierced me right through the heart.

[ky0u]

Because they don't have whirlybois so the drivers blow out the hot air instead

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by AdM1nsarEas$

then buy a mustang

He said go fast not crash into crowds and kill people.



Each engine has it's place in the e9X chassis:

N52 is a great commuter engine, yes it does have failures, look at most of the topics in the n52 section. It's not worth trying to tune it or make it go fast when the n54 exists. A SC'd n52 all done up with headers etc. is slower than a stock n54 with a free OTS tune expect it cost 6k to get the n52 to that power level(275whp)

n54 is a great tuner engine, you can make 300-1000+ whp if you want to spend the coin. It a bit less reliable than the n52, the issue is the parts to fix it cost considerably more. Flash tune and 1k in parts gets you 400/450 whp/wtq on stock turbos on pump 93 higher on e85.

s65 is a great engine for the track. It does not have oil starvation issues like the n54 on wide sweeping turns. It is HP limited to around 700whp. The block can't take more. SC kits are EXPENSIVE. Has rod bearing failures. Sounds AMAZING! A true M car with a true M engine.

[nicked8]

They secretly wish they could have all the knowledge of how cars work that N54's force you to learn.

Instead they create a new "how do I change my oil" thread every other day.

[stewbets]

Originally Posted by Torgus

s65 is a great engine for the track. It does not have oil starvation issues like the n54 on wide sweeping turns. It is HP limited to around 700whp. The block can't take more. SC kits are EXPENSIVE. Has rod bearing failures. Sounds AMAZING! A true M car with a true M engine.

Do you know if there are aftermarket bearings that pretty much eliminate this failure point, or are you stuck replacing them at intervals?

[Smgs1992]

Originally Posted by AdM1nsarEas$

then buy a mustang

I said fast not loud. Coyotes are slow unless you put a twin turbo kit on it.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Smgs1992

I said fast not loud. Coyotes are slow unless you put a twin turbo kit on it.

How many threads are on E90 post about American V8 swaps into an E9X vs. N54 swaps in an American chassis?

Lol.

[Smgs1992]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

How many threads are on E90 post about American V8 swaps into an E9X vs. N54 swaps in an American chassis?

Lol.

How many of those threads are about coyote engines vs LS?

Also a LS swap is far easier but theres been a few N54 swaps out there now including into a 49 ford

[michaelalex17]

I've owned an n52, an n54, and an m3. They are all different. Currently have an n52 as I wanted a manual wagon and in the states ya can't get an n54. I would agree that if you buy the n52 just for reliability over the others you should probably just get a Japanese car, it has its own fair share of issues. But I do like how free revving it is and no lag it's a fun momentum car even if it's not fast. N54 has turbo lag I don't care what anyone says. It's also a great motor and very capable. If you want the total package get an M car. Numbers on paper don't do it justice compared to either an n52 or an n54.

Can't we all just be friends and hate on Prius owners together?

[JonOhh]

I want to spend so much time and money wrenching on my comfortable, quick, and reliable german sedan that I can't afford to have cars made specifically for fun... like my Fiat 500c Abarth, Fiat X1/9, and (kind of an exception but a big cammed 6.3 V8 and a 5 speed makes it so) 65' Impala SS.

We definitely all have the same intention and use for our cars and anyone who wants a few more hp out of anything but the fastest 3 series should definitely drop it and buy a different car.

Yeah.

But to the above, I agree. People in the modern world have gotten very bad at understanding other people's needs, motivations, and points of view. I think if we were better at that, most of the out of hand discussions between N52 and N54 owners wouldn't exist. I myself have stepped out of quite a few discussions whenever it becomes obvious the other person begins to show they either can't understand my point of view, or begin spitting baseless claims. It's not a sign of weakness- it's not having the time to get into pointless internet discussions that lead nowhere and yield nothing.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by stewbets

Do you know if there are aftermarket bearings that pretty much eliminate this failure point, or are you stuck replacing them at intervals?

I believe once aftermarket bearings are fitted you are good to go.

I owned and n52 in my E91, never again. With the auto robbing power and the n52s power output it was kind of a dog to drive. My x5 is better in every way and faster.