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      09-07-2016, 10:40 AM   #177
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You think an IC will net more gains than a meth kit on stock turbos?
I never said that
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      09-07-2016, 10:56 AM   #178
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I never said that
Well I said a bms meth kit is better bang for your buck vs. An intercooler as they are around the same price. You than said you disagree with me:

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I disagree with you, intercooler is one of the most important mods on this car
I think we are spitting hairs here.

Both are good mods and most probably start with an IC as it is a simple bolt on. Meth is slightly more complicated.
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Well I said a bms meth kit is better bang for your buck vs. An intercooler as they are around the same price. You than said you disagree with me:



I think we are spitting hairs here.

Both are good mods and most probably start with an IC as it is a simple bolt on. Meth is slightly more complicated.
This is the part that i disagree with

" It's just an intercooler people put too much thought into it"


upgrading cooling, whether its intercooler or meth is very important for this car. Each option has its pros and cons.

Most users want a solution that they install once and never have to worry about thats why we recommend upgrading intercoolers ... A good intercooler will make a big difference versus a not so good FMIC (especially if it is working on its own without meth injection)

If user does not mind the extra work that comes with meth injection, it is definitely a very cheap and effective solution to lower IAT and raise octane
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      09-07-2016, 12:13 PM   #180
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FMIC is definitely the easier and low risk solution.

But if you asked me to put money on a Meth Car VS FMIC only car, I'll put the money on the Meth car, assuming it's tuned and operating correctly

As Mike said, plenty of pros and cons, more cons for the meth kit of course.
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CTS, Cobb,& Mishimoto are my last 3 choices. I am thinking of going with Cobb since I will be using the Cobb tune & downpipes. 3x the Cobb or maybe mix in a little Mishimoto or CTS in there. Kind of hard deciding...

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Wagner FTW.

I just installed my Evo II Comp, and the quality is top notch.
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Wagner FTW.

I just installed my Evo II Comp, and the quality is top notch.
One of the best intercoolers available
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I always thought bar and plate were superior? I don't think I ever read anything where tube and fin was considered superior...just cheaper & weigh less but inherently weaker.
Pretty sure we had that conversation before LOL

Different applications for different intercoolers.

Tube and fin is more expensive to build than bar and plate

Tube and fin recovers faster which is why it is more widely used on race cars and drivers who track their cars often

It also weighs less

IAT with the bar and plate will take longer to rise versus a tube and fin intercooler, but it will also take much longer to recover
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Or maybe Wagner , now that I know about it.. Lol . Damnit now I have 4 choices. So Wagner, CTS, Cobb , & Mishimoto. Jeeze the choices are increasing instead of decreasing! Ahh!! But Wagner does look very legit. Hmm...... Which Intercooler... 🤔
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Or maybe Wagner , now that I know about it.. Lol . Damnit now I have 4 choices. So Wagner, CTS, Cobb , & Mishimoto. Jeeze the choices are increasing instead of decreasing! Ahh!! But Wagner does look very legit. Hmm...... Which Intercooler... 🤔
Out of these 4 i would go with the Wagner
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Or maybe Wagner , now that I know about it.. Lol . Damnit now I have 4 choices. So Wagner, CTS, Cobb , & Mishimoto. Jeeze the choices are increasing instead of decreasing! Ahh!! But Wagner does look very legit. Hmm...... Which Intercooler... 🤔
Definitely Wagner out of the listed options.
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Definitely Wagner out of the listed options.
Why not ETS?
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Or maybe Wagner , now that I know about it.. Lol . Damnit now I have 4 choices. So Wagner, CTS, Cobb , & Mishimoto. Jeeze the choices are increasing instead of decreasing! Ahh!! But Wagner does look very legit. Hmm...... Which Intercooler... 🤔
Before choosing any intercooler you should first ask yourself what your goals are for the car. How you're going to be modding and using the car should greatly effect which intercooler you decide to go with.

The 4 choices you mentioned are completely different from one another.
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Wagner has 4 different options to suit one's needs. So.....assess your future goals, and choose accordingly.
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If you want the same performance as the Wagner Evo 2, check out the new VRSF 7" HD we have releasing in a couple weeks. It's only $120 more than the standard 7" (still hundreds less than the competition) right now and it will outperform any intercooler in it's comparable size.

It's also better suited for cars in warmer climates and cars with upgraded twins
Any info on the HD? I have only seen stuff on the 7.5" stepped. I was about to buy the 7", but I guess I will wait.
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We're still waiting for the independent logs of the 7" HD. The current customer logs we have vs the Wagner Evo are promising but we're waiting for the OEM comparison before we make a release thread
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We're still waiting for the independent logs of the 7" HD. The current customer logs we have vs the Wagner Evo are promising but we're waiting for the OEM comparison before we make a release thread
Are your intercoolers bar and plate or tube and fin or do you offer both. What is the new massive one? The e92 might need a new one
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Bar and plate across all of our cores including the monster race core. If you're running any sort of turbo upgrade you won't find anything better than the 7.5" race intercooler in the current market

Hit me up when you're ready and I'll be happy to set you up with a local discount
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Why not ETS?
ETS would be good. It wasn't mentioned though.

(Unless it was a typo for CTS) then at that point it would depend.
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