[e90yyc]

I don't disagree with you that too little power can be a buzzkill—my 328xi knows that I think it's a slow and ponderous little bitch—but it's often true what they say: It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than it is to drive a fast car slow.

[hybrid90]

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

I had one and it was a pretty boring car tbh. The power is just not there, doesn't have enough.

I had a '05 330ci ZHP 6spd and I loved it. It didn't have the power that my E90 335i w/Power Kit or my E92 335is has, but it handled phenomenally to me. But I'm more interested in how it handles vs how fast I can get to 60MPH. But it also felt great above 100MPH!

If I had kept it and not traded it in (Thanks Honey!!! ), I was looking at installing a Supercharger, so I can't disagree with you, but I will say that of the three BMW's I've owned, the ZHP was easily my favorite. Just enough tech to make it comfortable, but the tech did not hinder the car much at all.

[MPOWER5266]

Originally Posted by neilvan

If you NEED HP to make a car fun then it's not the car that is boring.

Some of the most fun cars I have driven lack power (of course more HP makes them even better)

I agree, I love driving my 02 fast. Its a blast to drive the crap out of a slow car.

[Schmitz]

Originally Posted by e90yyc

I don't disagree with you that too little power can be a buzzkill—my 328xi knows that I think it's a slow and ponderous little bitch—but it's often true what they say: It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than it is to drive a fast car slow.

I think that about my 328xi from time to time. But I've come to realize that is just because I get used to the car. So every once in a while I drive my mom's avalon and can't wait to get back in my car.

[e90yyc]

Originally Posted by Schmitz

I think that about my 328xi from time to time. But I've come to realize that is just because I get used to the car. So every once in a while I drive my mom's avalon and can't wait to get back in my car.

I am humbled.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Originally Posted by hybrid90

I had a '05 330ci ZHP 6spd and I loved it. It didn't have the power that my E90 335i w/Power Kit or my E92 335is has, but it handled phenomenally to me. But I'm more interested in how it handles vs how fast I can get to 60MPH. But it also felt great above 100MPH!

If I had kept it and not traded it in (Thanks Honey!!! ), I was looking at installing a Supercharger, so I can't disagree with you, but I will say that of the three BMW's I've owned, the ZHP was easily my favorite. Just enough tech to make it comfortable, but the tech did not hinder the car much at all.

Granted I didn't have ZHP but I don't think my experience would've been that much different. No doubt was a fun first owned car for me but my E92 is even more fun because it's faster, so when I get out of turns I can floor it and get out like a missile. It's not just about 0-60 times, it's about how fast I can the other corner then brake hard and rinse and repeaet.

Also the E46s tech was to lacking for a daily for me.. I wanted something with a screen in 2018.

[Schmitz]

Originally Posted by e90yyc

I am humbled.

Haha, well, in all seriousness, I do think we should periodically drive lesser vehicles so we can maintain the love of our own.

[CTinline-six]

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

Granted I didn't have ZHP but I don't think my experience would've been that much different. No doubt was a fun first owned car for me but my E92 is even more fun because it's faster, so when I get out of turns I can floor it and get out like a missile. It's not just about 0-60 times, it's about how fast I can the other corner then brake hard and rinse and repeaet.

Also the E46s tech was to lacking for a daily for me.. I wanted something with a screen in 2018.

Yeah I hate screens, so it's different for every person's needs. I work in technology, and I purposely bought my E90 without IDrive. After being on a computer all day, driving home is my escape. Plus my phone can be used as the most up to date navigation/entertainment over anything IDrive has to offer in the E9x.

[Moisture]

I don't see anybody here mentioning the E34. That is a truly beautiful classic BMW sedan and I bet the handling it great. Would love to try driving one.

What's my favourite BMW? How about every single 3,5 series ever made excluding The F30 and any 7 series e38 or older.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Originally Posted by CTinline-six

Yeah I hate screens, so it's different for every person's needs. I work in technology, and I purposely bought my E90 without IDrive. After being on a computer all day, driving home is my escape. Plus my phone can be used as the most up to date navigation/entertainment over anything IDrive has to offer in the E9x.

I'm also on a computer all day so I can understand you wanting to go away from it. In fact my iDrive is really always closed, I mainly just wanted it for like vehicle service and oil gauge and all that being more pretty to look at and having a nice GUI for car options, etc.

I agree about the phones being much more advanced than what idrive has to offer.. I usually use my phone for short trips to a new friends house for example.

[hybrid90]

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

Granted I didn't have ZHP but I don't think my experience would've been that much different. No doubt was a fun first owned car for me but my E92 is even more fun because it's faster, so when I get out of turns I can floor it and get out like a missile. It's not just about 0-60 times, it's about how fast I can the other corner then brake hard and rinse and repeaet.

Also the E46s tech was to lacking for a daily for me.. I wanted something with a screen in 2018.

Definitely understand. If I could have been able to implement the N55 w/Power Kit into that ZHP, it would have been damn near perfect! The N54/N54T are so much more tuneable, but the N55 w/Power Kit delivery was super linear with almost NO Turbo lag so it was just predictable, no sudden bursts. That helped to just drive and let the car do what it was designed to do. Going through high speed canyons and elevation changes just feels so smooth, like when a tool fits perfectly in the groove.

[krhodes1]

Originally Posted by Schmitz

I think that about my 328xi from time to time. But I've come to realize that is just because I get used to the car. So every once in a while I drive my mom's avalon and can't wait to get back in my car.

The other two cars in my garage with my e91 are a Land Rover Disco I and a Triumph Spitfire. Compared to either of those, the BMW might as well be an F1 car.

Though the Spitfire is a LOT more fun.

[krhodes1]

Originally Posted by CTinline-six

Yeah I hate screens, so it's different for every person's needs. I work in technology, and I purposely bought my E90 without IDrive. After being on a computer all day, driving home is my escape. Plus my phone can be used as the most up to date navigation/entertainment over anything IDrive has to offer in the E9x.

Same here - I ordered my e91 without iDrive very much on purpose. There is nothing I need to do in a car that I can't accomplish with 2 knobs and a row of buttons. If I need to navigate, my 6.5" phone works just fine for that.

Thought that said, I had the OTA updated NAV setup in my M235i, and that was easily on par with my phone. But no idea how long BMW will continue updating that system. But even on that car, if I could have gotten NO screen, I would have. But given the choice of the ugly little standard screen or the big beautiful and much more useful full NAV package screen, it was a no brainer to get the good setup.

[Schmitz]

Originally Posted by CTinline-six

Yeah I hate screens, so it's different for every person's needs. I work in technology, and I purposely bought my E90 without IDrive. After being on a computer all day, driving home is my escape. Plus my phone can be used as the most up to date navigation/entertainment over anything IDrive has to offer in the E9x.

I agree with you. Can you imagine how terribly outdated all the f30 screens will look in ten years?

[Bimmer_Engineer]

Originally Posted by krhodes1

The other two cars in my garage with my e91 are a Land Rover Disco I and a Triumph Spitfire. Compared to either of those, the BMW might as well be an F1 car.

Though the Spitfire is a LOT more fun.

My dad had a spitfire...it didn’t run often enough or long enough for me to assess whether it was fun or not...

[6Inarowmakesitgo!]

Definitely E28. Love my 535i.

[blown07]

Originally Posted by neilvan

If you NEED HP to make a car fun then it's not the car that is boring.

Some of the most fun cars I have driven lack power (of course more HP makes them even better)

Yes more HP makes the car even better but be careful because it makes you more boring.

[JM98]

Ive had E30s, E34s, E36's, E46's, an E90, and now an E82 and honestly the most fun I had was in my E34.

1989 525i with a manual transmission. Had that car for 3 years and drove the hell out of it, it was cheap to maintain, fun around town, got great mileage, was a great cruiser on the highway, had classic BMW looks, and I could fit myself (6ft2) and 4 of my college buddies in it without issue.

Handled great with a nice set of summer tires, and I could hoon it in the snow on a set of winter tires. Definitely some good memories in that car.

[53N30W]

The steering in my 1995 E36 was the best i have ever driven I think. Loved the size of the platform. I still miss it

[Unknown_Car]

E39, e30 and e90. I don't care about nothing that's coming out from BMW after e90.

[Bimmer_Engineer]

Since they were released I’ve been fond of the e39 540i 6 speed...also the early 90s 850i...

[spiderspider]

e46.