Marketing or Tuning. Now THAT is the question. Vishnu PROcede V2 update

Walked U · 06-05-2007, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

roller84: As soon as the updating software application is written and fully tested, we'll start updating beta testers. That will probably take 2-3 weeks. During that time, I'll be able to further refine the maps and do a bunch more road testing.

shiv

Ahhh shit... dont tease me.

lol

mayno · 06-05-2007, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry335

Oh Shiv, you're a competent tuner but the self-promotion and marketing BS makes it hard to take you seriously. I suppose it's fortunate you broke in to the BMW and Porsche markets; I doubt the Subaru guys are naive enough to fall for this dialog…

Terry, you're a f'in moron. this whole forum is one GIANT marketing forum, everyone promotes/markets every product they use or contemplate to use, and if a tuner wants to do the same so be it.

Spool · 06-05-2007, 11:47 PM

Interesting...the gains look impressive...what is the peak boost set at now?

I'm curious as to how well the stock turbos will fare in all of this....

do keep us updated...

PresaMat · 06-05-2007, 11:48 PM

SHIV!! VERY NICE results!! I want the full power map... dont dial it down for me!

Cant wait for 2.0!! Mad props to ya!

Mat

PS shiv when you get ready to release the 996TT stuff lemme know... a friend of mine is chomping at the bit to get the Procede in his.

David 12 · 06-05-2007, 11:50 PM

Sounds fantastic - Bring it on!

It did take me awhile to adjust to the power drop off at higher rpm's. That is mainly because I previously owned Acuras though - They come alive at higher rpm's.

ps I think anyone that will drive a 335i Procede v2.0 is nearly a god!

BMWPower06 · 06-05-2007, 11:53 PM

So shiv how were u able to fix the problem of high rpm power loss? From the graph it looks like HP falls off just the same as before, but u claimed that it pulls hard to redline, if so thats GREAT. the only thing that i didnt like about the PROcede was that u had to short shift, if you in fact made power stay on to redline then

Kev · 06-06-2007, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BMWPower06

So shiv how were u able to fix the problem of high rpm power loss? From the graph it looks like HP falls off just the same as before, but u claimed that it pulls hard to redline, if so thats GREAT. the only thing that i didnt like about the PROcede was that u had to short shift, if you in fact made power stay on to redline then

All the ECU tune seems to have that problem with peak HP coming up before red line (look at the Dyno graph of the AA Xede box).

Terry335 · 06-06-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mayno

Terry, you're a f'in moron. this whole forum is one GIANT marketing forum, everyone promotes/markets every product they use or contemplate to use, and if a tuner wants to do the same so be it.

It's one thing to discuss your product; it's another to go off on a 10,000 word dialogue about how you developed hardware, software, and a "special" proprietary method for extracting more power out of the 335, when in reality you're just another distributor for an off the shelf product that happens to be tuned for more boost than the competition.

OpenFlash · 06-06-2007, 12:11 AM

Top end power roll off isn't really a "problem". It's just how the car is cammed and how the turbos are sized. Both of which define an engine's pumping efficiency (VE). Take a lot at any responsive turbo engine and it will make peak power before redline. Sometimes *well* before redline (Subaru WRX, Evo, 911 Turbo, Audi/vw 1.8t, 2.0T, etc,.

What makes the v2.0 feel different over v1 is that there is no change in acceleration past the 4000rpm mark. Power keeps rising at the same rate all the way until past 5500rpm.

We could tune it so that peak power is reached at 7000rpm. But that peak power would be 325whp and we would have to severely detune the entire midrange in order to keep power below that

shiv

OpenFlash · 06-06-2007, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Terry335

It's one thing to discuss your product; it's another to go off on a 10,000 word dialogue about how you developed hardware, software, and a "special" proprietary method for extracting more power out of the 335, when in reality you're just another distributor for an off the shelf product that happens to be tuned for more boost than the competition.

I applaude your ability to speak with such authority about things you are so uncertain of. I suspect this is why you are on the ignore list of so many forum members.

damn.. i fed the troll. Apologies to everyone.

shiv

Ado · 06-06-2007, 12:20 AM

Great work shiv. I'm totally speechless about the PROcede. I'll be honest... I was skeptical as probably many others were about you deciding not to use the XEDE any more. I think that's mostly because it didn't make any business sense for you to start using something else and thought you were being forced into not using the XEDE.

Off course my thoughts were wrong. You my friend are simply DA MAN.

Amazing product, amazing results. Can't wait to see the quarter mile times.

Ado

Kbueno · 06-06-2007, 12:21 AM

V2.0 power delivery does look smoother...so are you saying there is less of a "powerband" and more of a linear delivery? Still looks like power is tapering off in the high rpms.

Jonmartin · 06-06-2007, 12:26 AM

patiently waiting on this...

Kbueno · 06-06-2007, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I applaude your ability to speak with such authority about things you are so uncertain of. I suspect this is why you are on the ignore list of so many forum members.

damn.. i fed the troll. Apologies to everyone.

shiv

Shiv: Damnit! Don't quote him, that's why he's on my ignore list.

Ado · 06-06-2007, 12:31 AM

I think he needs to be on everyone's ignore list.

schneid4323 · 06-06-2007, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Thanks for sticking by us through all the silly flame wars, posturing and e-shananegans. Hats off to you guys more than anyone else.

Walked U · 06-06-2007, 12:34 AM

Shiv the AFR readings look like they have been raised from the previous maps.

Is running 14ish AFR through the power band normal? I know direct injection cars run lean in the begining but what about later in the power band?

schneid4323 · 06-06-2007, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Terry335

It's one thing to discuss your product; it's another to go off on a 10,000 word dialogue about how you developed hardware, software, and a "special" proprietary method for extracting more power out of the 335, when in reality you're just another distributor for an off the shelf product that happens to be tuned for more boost than the competition.

Ok I finally understand what Terry's problem is. No one told him he was special when he was young, he was taught conformity at a very young age.

So I will appease your childhood loss. Terry you are a very special boy!

OpenFlash · 06-06-2007, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Walked U

Shiv the AFR readings look like they have been raised from the previous maps.

Is running 14ish AFR through the power band normal? I know direct injection cars run lean in the begining but what about later in the power band?

Actually, the richest run is with v2.0 which is very similar to v1.45. The run that is noticeably leaner was with the stock ECU (no PROcede).

Shiv

LACA335i · 06-06-2007, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Top end power roll off isn't really a "problem". It's just how the car is cammed and how the turbos are sized. Both of which define an engine's pumping efficiency (VE). Take a lot at any responsive turbo engine and it will make peak power before redline. Sometimes *well* before redline (Subaru WRX, Evo, 911 Turbo, Audi/vw 1.8t, 2.0T, etc,.

What makes the v2.0 feel different over v1 is that there is no change in acceleration past the 4000rpm mark. Power keeps rising at the same rate all the way until past 5500rpm.

We could tune it so that peak power is reached at 7000rpm. But that peak power would be 325whp and we would have to severely detune the entire midrange in order to keep power below that

shiv

hey shv would the powerband the same on an e90 none sport package.. 335i sedan. the governor kick it in around 135 mph.. so did u remove it ? or keep it on.. i was just kinda curious

DrewKo · 06-06-2007, 12:43 AM

Great stuff, Shiv, Calvin, and the Vishnu group! Looking forward to running with this.

Walked U · 06-06-2007, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Actually, the richest run is with v2.0 which is very similar to v1.45. The run that is noticeably leaner was with the stock ECU (no PROcede).

Shiv

Ah i see. I couldnt tell between the colors.

Good to know that they arent that lean lol

Ok, now that has been cleared up nice to see that the AFR's have been kept almost exactly the same.

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PresaMat Major 35 Rep 1,169 Posts Drives: 67 GT500,69 Boss 429, 335i Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Houston,TX iTrader: (0) Garage List 1967 Shelby Mustang ... [0.00]	SHIV!! VERY NICE results!! I want the full power map... dont dial it down for me! Cant wait for 2.0!! Mad props to ya! Mat PS shiv when you get ready to release the 996TT stuff lemme know... a friend of mine is chomping at the bit to get the Procede in his.
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06-05-2007, 11:50 PM	#27
David 12 Major 127 Rep 1,048 Posts Drives: 2019 BMW X5 50i BSM, M Sport Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Omaha iTrader: (0)	Sounds fantastic - Bring it on! It did take me awhile to adjust to the power drop off at higher rpm's. That is mainly because I previously owned Acuras though - They come alive at higher rpm's. ps I think anyone that will drive a 335i Procede v2.0 is nearly a god!
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BMWPower06 A^M=G is nothing w/o the Power of ///M 171 Rep 1,816 Posts Drives: ///M5 & ///M3 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Washington D.C. iTrader: (0)	So shiv how were u able to fix the problem of high rpm power loss? From the graph it looks like HP falls off just the same as before, but u claimed that it pulls hard to redline, if so thats GREAT. the only thing that i didnt like about the PROcede was that u had to short shift, if you in fact made power stay on to redline then __________________ Indianapolis Red BMW ///M5
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OpenFlash 1737 Rep 17,960 Posts Drives: A Lot Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SF Bay, CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2018 Ducati Panigal ... [0.00] 2016 Mazda CX5 [0.00] 2017 Aprilia Tuono ... [0.00] 2019 BMW M2 Competi ... [0.00] 2015 BMW M5 Competi ... [10.00] 2016 Ducati XDiavel S [0.00] 2016 AMG GT S [0.00] 2011 Ferrari 458 It ... [0.00] 2017 Charger Hellcat [0.00] 2015 KTM Super Duke ... [0.00] 2016 KTM RC390 [0.00]	Top end power roll off isn't really a "problem". It's just how the car is cammed and how the turbos are sized. Both of which define an engine's pumping efficiency (VE). Take a lot at any responsive turbo engine and it will make peak power before redline. Sometimes well before redline (Subaru WRX, Evo, 911 Turbo, Audi/vw 1.8t, 2.0T, etc,. What makes the v2.0 feel different over v1 is that there is no change in acceleration past the 4000rpm mark. Power keeps rising at the same rate all the way until past 5500rpm. We could tune it so that peak power is reached at 7000rpm. But that peak power would be 325whp and we would have to severely detune the entire midrange in order to keep power below that shiv
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06-06-2007, 12:20 AM	#33
Ado King Kong 59 Rep 771 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Toronto iTrader: (0)	Great work shiv. I'm totally speechless about the PROcede. I'll be honest... I was skeptical as probably many others were about you deciding not to use the XEDE any more. I think that's mostly because it didn't make any business sense for you to start using something else and thought you were being forced into not using the XEDE. Off course my thoughts were wrong. You my friend are simply DA MAN. Amazing product, amazing results. Can't wait to see the quarter mile times. Ado __________________ 08 E92 M3 - AA ECU, AA Pulleys, AA Air Filter, AA Short Shifter - CURRENT E92 335i - Vishnu V3, Exhaust, Intake, BOV, CDV Delete - SOLD 1991 850i Dinan Twin Turbo - SOLD
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06-06-2007, 12:21 AM	#34
Kbueno Lieutenant Colonel 99 Rep 1,712 Posts Drives: F82 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: California iTrader: (5)	V2.0 power delivery does look smoother...so are you saying there is less of a "powerband" and more of a linear delivery? Still looks like power is tapering off in the high rpms.
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Walked U Brigadier General 179 Rep 3,125 Posts Drives: Too many to list Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA iTrader: (5)	Shiv the AFR readings look like they have been raised from the previous maps. Is running 14ish AFR through the power band normal? I know direct injection cars run lean in the begining but what about later in the power band? __________________ Previous - E90 335i, E82 135i, E89 Z4 3.5SI, Range Rover S/C, Ultra White RCF, Maserati Granturismo Current Lexus: SMG LC500 performance package Porsche:1973 911E Ferrari 575 SA, 458 Italia
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