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What's this thread about again? 🤔oh, yeah... the fear of equality within his team! At least the concept of it.
Either you just started watching F1 about 3 minutes ago or you're a troll.
If Max isn't a worthy adversary, why block him in your contract if you're Lewis? Should he block block George Russell too? If it weren't for a puncture he would've demonstrated just how good the car is by standing atop the podium with less than a week in the drivers seat and too small of a shoe! That or he's just that good.... at least the team balanced out the drivers by installing the wrong tires on the wrong car. Just to protect their golden child's reputation. A team that good just doesn't make that mistake by accident. If you think otherwise, you've only been watching F1 for 3 days or you're a troll.

Put Lewis in the FW43B and let your boy show us just how much of his achievements are driver related.
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If Max isn't a worthy adversary, why block him in your contract if you're Lewis?
Never happened, there was/is no "Verstappen clause"...it was made up BS by some half witted Dutch journalist and pounced upon by Verstappen worshipping fans as proof of something or other.
Verstappen is contracted to Red Bull until 2023.
This was covered earlier in the thread.
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If Max isn't a worthy adversary, why block him in your contract if you're Lewis? Should he block block George Russell too? If it weren't for a puncture he would've demonstrated just how good the car is by standing atop the podium with less than a week in the drivers seat and too small of a shoe! That or he's just that good.... at least the team balanced out the drivers by installing the wrong tires on the wrong car. Just to protect their golden child's reputation. A team that good just doesn't make that mistake by accident. If you think otherwise, you've only been watching F1 for 3 days or you're a troll.

Put Lewis in the FW43B and let your boy show us just how much of his achievements are driver related.
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If Max isn't a worthy adversary, why block him in your contract if you're Lewis? Should he block block George Russell too? If it weren't for a puncture he would've demonstrated just how good the car is by standing atop the podium with less than a week in the drivers seat and too small of a shoe! That or he's just that good.... at least the team balanced out the drivers by installing the wrong tires on the wrong car. Just to protect their golden child's reputation. A team that good just doesn't make that mistake by accident. If you think otherwise, you've only been watching F1 for 3 days or you're a troll.

Put Lewis in the FW43B and let your boy show us just how much of his achievements are driver related.
Took the words out of my mouth.
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If true, I would think a few Managers would not have hired Senna back in the day
So true. The vast majority of top historical drivers were "dickheads" in some sort of way. Arrogance, self-assurance and competitivity are the fabric of champions, with the drawbacks that come with it.
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In Niki Lauda, Mercedes also lost a key element of what made the fabric of this team. His influence, leadership, will power and driving force cannot be underestimated. It will be interesting to see where Mercedes lands without him.
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If Max isn't a worthy adversary, why block him in your contract if you're Lewis? Should he block block George Russell too? If it weren't for a puncture he would've demonstrated just how good the car is by standing atop the podium with less than a week in the drivers seat and too small of a shoe! That or he's just that good.... at least the team balanced out the drivers by installing the wrong tires on the wrong car. Just to protect their golden child's reputation. A team that good just doesn't make that mistake by accident. If you think otherwise, you've only been watching F1 for 3 days or you're a troll.

Put Lewis in the FW43B and let your boy show us just how much of his achievements are driver related.
Oh boy.

Lewis Hamilton at McLaren:

26 of 30 pole positions that the team achieved from 2007 to 2012. 87%
21 of 33 victories the team achieved from the same time period. 64%

I have been watching F1 for over 45 years.

VER is the most overhyped driver I've ever seen. Sir Lewis has more pole positions in the 6th fastest car on the grid from 2009 than Max has in his entire career. Max has no one-lap speed, makes questionable decisions, and was exposed in Turkey as never before.

The ONLY way he wins a WDC is for Sir Lewis to retire. And even then it's no guarantee. RIC beat him over their time there and he's had shrubs for team mates. Sir Lewis has been teamed with 3 WDCs and bet them 5 of 7 times. His resume is unassailable unless a person knows NOTHING about F1 or has some other motivation.
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In Niki Lauda, Mercedes also lost a key element of what made the fabric of this team. His influence, leadership, will power and driving force cannot be underestimated. It will be interesting to see where Mercedes lands without him.
Mercedes will still do well but I expect a tail off.

For the real story remember that McLaren hasn't won a race or achieved a pole position since Sir Lewis left the team. That is almost 10 years ago.
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Mercedes will still do well but I expect a tail off.

For the real story remember that McLaren hasn't won a race or achieved a pole position since Sir Lewis left the team. That is almost 10 years ago.
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You bite your tongue!
Just the facts, sir. Just the facts.
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Oh boy.
I know...I'm constantly amazed at the nonsense some peoples can post.

Any barely sentient being could see that Russell was going to win the Bahrain GP.
The idea that Mercedes would think they could try to hide his performance by faking a botched pit stop is beyond credibility to anyone with a fully functioning brain.

Russell is an exceptional driver and in the Mercedes at Bahrain he was on his way to a certain victory.
That doesn't mean he is the equal of Hamilton...same as Bottas winning GPs doesn't make him the equal of Hamilton.
If, as expected, they are team mates in 2022 then we shall see.

If you want a clear example of sabotage then re-watch the Spain GP 2016 where Red Bull manoeuvre Ricciardo out of first place with an extra pit stop to enable Verstappen to win.
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I know...I'm constantly amazed at the nonsense some peoples can post.

Any barely sentient being could see that Russell was going to win the Bahrain GP.
The idea that Mercedes would think they could try to hide his performance by faking a botched pit stop is beyond credibility to anyone with a fully functioning brain.

Russell is an exceptional driver and in the Mercedes at Bahrain he was on his way to a certain victory.
That doesn't mean he is the equal of Hamilton...same as Bottas winning GPs doesn't make him the equal of Hamilton.
If, as expected, they are team mates in 2022 then we shall see.

If you want a clear example of sabotage then re-watch the Spain GP 2016 where Red Bull manoeuvre Ricciardo out of first place with an extra pit stop to enable Verstappen to win.
I know. It was classic and now we have a clear example of them projecting their fav team's malfeasance onto their nemesis.

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I had the privileged of meeting Mr. Lauda in 2012. He was a titan in motorsport and, to your point, the heart and soul of the team.

He is still represented on each car and just as they didn't fall off in 2019 and 2020, I don't think the team will fall off in 2021 or through the change in the formula.
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If Max isn't a worthy adversary, why block him in your contract if you're Lewis? Should he block block George Russell too? If it weren't for a puncture he would've demonstrated just how good the car is by standing atop the podium with less than a week in the drivers seat and too small of a shoe! That or he's just that good.... at least the team balanced out the drivers by installing the wrong tires on the wrong car. Just to protect their golden child's reputation. A team that good just doesn't make that mistake by accident. If you think otherwise, you've only been watching F1 for 3 days or you're a troll.

Put Lewis in the FW43B and let your boy show us just how much of his achievements are driver related.
Oh boy.

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26 of 30 pole positions that the team achieved from 2007 to 2012. 87%
21 of 33 victories the team achieved from the same time period. 64%

I have been watching F1 for over 45 years.

VER is the most overhyped driver I've ever seen. Sir Lewis has more pole positions in the 6th fastest car on the grid from 2009 than Max has in his entire career. Max has no one-lap speed, makes questionable decisions, and was exposed in Turkey as never before.

The ONLY way he wins a WDC is for Sir Lewis to retire. And even then it's no guarantee. RIC beat him over their time there and he's had shrubs for team mates. Sir Lewis has been teamed with 3 WDCs and bet them 5 of 7 times. His resume is unassailable unless a person knows NOTHING about F1 or has some other motivation.
We can agree on some points. Max is far from my favorite driver and at times I've hated the fact he's in the sport. He does have a knack for causing a collision and coming out unscathed, but he has also taken himself out many times as well.

It's not sabotage or a fake pit stop like the one referenced with Red Bul, but explain why team orders were called in Russia 2018? Lewis is the better driver of the 2, which is fairly well established. Did Bottas not deserve to win? Would it have effected the championship outcome?
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We can agree on some points. Max is far from my favorite driver and at times I've hated the fact he's in the sport. He does have a knack for causing a collision and coming out unscathed, but he has also taken himself out many times as well.

It's not sabotage or a fake pit stop like the one referenced with Red Bul, but explain why team orders were called in Russia 2018? Lewis is the better driver of the 2, which is fairly well established. Did Bottas not deserve to win? Would it have effected the championship outcome?
The outcome for the WDC and the WCC in 2018 at the time of the race was far from certain. One must look at the results longitudinally, rather than as the results at the end of the year. This season was nip and tuck with the Ferrari being faster than the Mercedes. They were trading blows until not-then Sir Lewis went on romp after Germany to the end. Asking BOT to give up the win was de-risking the WDC and had zero negative impact on the WCC.

Remove all emotions and it was the smart decision to make. Cheers-mk

Edit: Had it not been for Kimi's retirements, it is likely that Mercedes would have lost the WCC that year.
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I hate those kind of team orders...The FIA tried to ban them but it never worked.
You have to feel for Bottas..he lost some enthusiasm after the Russia race.

Looking at those results you also have to feel for Ricciardo...6 DNFs in 13 races often from near or at the front.
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I hate those kind of team orders...The FIA tried to ban them but it never worked.
You have to feel for Bottas..he lost some enthusiasm after the Russia race.

Looking at those results you also have to feel for Ricciardo...6 DNFs in 13 races often from near or at the front.
They really are less than optimal but at least, now, it's out in the open.

And RIC had 8 DNFs that season. It is highly likely that he would have finished 3rd or 4th in the championship that season.

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I know...I'm constantly amazed at the nonsense some peoples can post.

Any barely sentient being could see that Russell was going to win the Bahrain GP.
The idea that Mercedes would think they could try to hide his performance by faking a botched pit stop is beyond credibility to anyone with a fully functioning brain.
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There in lies the problem
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I hate those kind of team orders...The FIA tried to ban them but it never worked.
You have to feel for Bottas..he lost some enthusiasm after the Russia race.

Looking at those results you also have to feel for Ricciardo...6 DNFs in 13 races often from near or at the front.
partially right but at the same time he has multiple chances to change that since 2017.. this will be his 5th attempt to outperform Lewis and change this and become a champion.. 5 times is quite a privilege.. otherwise he could have just walked away.. but he stayed..
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