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      02-27-2021, 08:39 AM   #67
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Now fix the side mirrors, add a power dome, completely modify the Lexus tail lights/rear end, add the kink, get the door lines correct again and *maybe* this trash is 90% fixed. Most focus on the grills, but the rest of the car is damned near as awful. To me it’s an unredeemable car.
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      02-27-2021, 10:31 AM   #68
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I could be wrong, but I don't think this big upright grill is all that original and if I recall it wasn't too popular the first time around.
Amen brother, oh well, no biggie for me, plenty of other 'good looking' vehicles to choose from !
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Maybe I'm wrong here but I thought the goal of design was to create something that made people WANT your product. Instead, they've created something that is driving people away from the brand. It seems counter productive and to double down on it just seems....arrogant.
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The grille isn't really the issue. If they want to use the tall vertical grilles, they have to design the rest of the front fascia/bumper better. A lot better.

The problem with the 4er is that everything surrounding it is terribly design and either don't fit or don't complement it. Every non-SAV BMW should have that low and wide view, instead with the 4er, it just looks tall because you have the headlights and the poorly-designed air vents angled and designed to point towards the grille. The M3/M4 does not have that issue the bumper designed is stretched left to right.
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What’s clear is that both men feel a huge amount of responsibility towards BMW. Both are well aware of the history of the brand – indeed, they’ve justified their current strategy by looking back to the 1960s, when BMW pioneered a sports car that came with a healthy dose of limousine. Cars like the 1500, which set the standard for the company for years to come, right up to today.
These days, the fragmentation of what customers want (and Dukec is clear on this: he’s aiming for customers to want his cars, not need them) means that van Hooydonk and Dukec have identified two groups they want to appeal to. They’ve called them the elegant creators and the expressive performers. While it’s tempting to dismiss this as marketing hyperbole, it does make sense when you view it in terms of the product. The creators tend to sit in the odd-numbered cars – the traditional 3, 5 and 7 Series – while the performers are the even-numbered buyers, with cars like the M4 or X6.
It boils down to how people will use their cars. As Dukec has it, the creators want a car “more focused on the cabin, but it still has to have a fluid silhouette and nice proportions”, while the performers don’t want such a practical car. The cabin will be smaller, like a suit that’s “not the most comfortable one, but it’s the one in which you look the best. They want a car that’s almost irrational.”.
Making an artificial distinction between "elegant creators" and "expressive performers" ?

Sounds indeed like marketing hyperbole.

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Itís so cool how the M2C and e46m are so close in dimension after 20yrs
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It's so cool how the M2C and e46m are so close in dimension after 20yrs
Yep, unlike with the G8X you can see the heritage and family resemblance in the F87.
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Itís so cool how the M2C and e46m are so close in dimension after 20yrs
Its so cool how the 7 series and 1 series are so close in dimensions from then to now...
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Beautiful things stand out. Ugly things stand out. Doesn't mean they are both desirable.
I agree. Funny thing is, as time goes by, the ugly things stand out less - as you come to accept them -albeit begrudgingly. Then, when either by design or necessity the ugly things go away, your mind snaps back to reality and come to appreciate what an eyesore they were.
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I've read this article and I'd like for them to clarify specifically how many of these vehicles with the big grill they ended up selling out of their 680,000 sales number. It will make more of a difference when it's more common in every series, people might look for older more appealing models, or elsewhere all together.
I know I will be looking elsewhere if this continues, and no one offers a decent replacement.
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Remember, they know better than you. Behold the beauty.
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^^^looks like something I'd see at my local Dodge dealer.
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Making an artificial distinction between "elegant creators" and "expressive performers" ?

Sounds indeed like marketing hyperbole.

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Remember, they know better than you. Behold the beauty.
It looks most closely to a Mustang from its proportions but the Mustang is a much cleaner design from the side.
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Yep, unlike with the G8X you can see the heritage and family resemblance in the F87.
Man the F Chassis shoulder line remains undefeated - I seriously don't know how you would improve on it, it's already so sculpted.
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It looks most closely to a Mustang from its proportions but the Mustang is a much cleaner design from the side.
I think the 8er resembles the Mustang more. The 4er has a mix of Camaro and A5 to my eyes, mainly because of the window silhouette and its upwards kink as you get further out, as well as how where the hoff kink use to be, it now just goes outwards rather than back in on itself like the old BMW's.


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Man the F Chassis shoulder line remains undefeated - I seriously don't know how you would improve on it, it's already so sculpted.
I agree, which is why I quickly bought another once I saw the G82.
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Which is why we all need to thank BMW for their new design direction, the prices of our F8x cars will not suffer the usual depreciation hit when a new M model comes out.

The more I see of the new car, the uglier it gets. If the avg. buyer thinks its hot and buys it, I'm just SMH and sticking to my guns, just like Van Hooydonk and Dukec. The looks will not grow on me.
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