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BSW Stage I Audio Upgrade Review?
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05-21-2009, 04:02 AM | #133 | |
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05-21-2009, 08:46 AM | #134 | |
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1. You're right that the stock sedan & coupe mid are the same. Both are VERY shallow. 2. The stock mid in the sedan is replaceable with a deeper speaker. The mid in the coupe is not. There just isn't any extra depth available in a coupe door cavity. 3. From what I see on the BSW mid, it would need to be roughly 3/4" more shallow to fit in a coupe due to depth to window mechanism restrictions. Unless you don't want your windows to roll down all the way |
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05-21-2009, 09:02 AM | #135 | |
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I think that BSW went for the ready-available route for the Sedan and it found out too late that the sucker doesn't fit as well in the other two models. |
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05-21-2009, 09:19 AM | #136 | |
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05-21-2009, 09:33 AM | #137 |
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Their website makes it seem like they are making their own custom speakers.... So I was under this impression as well.
Joey, which part of P'boro you live in? I used to live and work in the Ortons while I was stationed by my company out there. |
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05-21-2009, 09:38 AM | #138 | |
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05-21-2009, 09:58 AM | #139 |
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I don't know about that... why custom make a mid design that cannot be used in all the models so the development costs could be reduced and thus increase the profit and the sales?
BMW did exactly that, so what's the problem? It cannot be said that it is because the Coupe and Convertible require different drivers to sound the same as the Sedan, as you can get the same set of Focal 100KP components that fit all the models and still sound great in all of them. |
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05-21-2009, 12:59 PM | #141 | |
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I used to live in Orton Longueville once upon a time, right by British Sugar. I live in the Hamptons now, behind serpentine green. |
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05-22-2009, 09:38 AM | #142 | |
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11-02-2009, 07:28 PM | #143 | ||||||||||
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First I want to apologize. I totally forgot about the forum and a customer linked me here to answer some questions so I do apoloize for the lack of BSW replies! I am human and made a mistake! Will stay on top of this!
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Now you consider just simply taking off some mounting depth or changing the mounting style/adapter/etc and it changed the acoustics of the speakers so we had to change it. Think of a subwoofer and you just sectioned out 1in of the basket. It would change all the parameters of the speaker and it would not be right. This is where we were at. We will not release our drivers that are not up to BSW quality in terms of build quality and sound quality. The BSW owners audition, play with, tune, rebuild, redesign etc all of our speakers until they are correct. Sedan came first and the assumption was just bolt them into the coupe and bam we have another product. That did not prove to be the case so we fixed it. Multiple times. This last week we test fit and auditioned the E92 coupe Stage 1. Is it late? Yes it is. Is it awesome? Yes it is! The wait is worth it, you will want to give it a listen and really hear the difference! Quote:
not? There are several reasons: 1. We have made a very large investment in terms of time and money to establish the optimum characteristics for the components we use in our speaker upgrades. To protect that investment and prevent "copycat" products, we keep the associated information proprietary. 2. Because our speaker upgrades are optimized to operate on the factory amplifier (or in some cases, an amplifier we are designing to replace the stock amplifier), the specifications are not required by end users since we've already done all the hard work of optimizing the components to work perfectly together and there is only one operating environment in which our products will be used. 3. Specifications are not meaningful for comparison between our products and other products which may be used in the same application, primarily because, in general, specifications in the car audio world are more or less fabricated from thin air. Repeated testing has shown time and time again that the performance and behavior of components we test does NOT bear a strong relationship to what we'd expect given the specifications of a product. However, all that said, perhaps you can let me know why you'd like the specifications, at which point I might be able to answer your question or provide the needed information without the specs. With that said the Logic7 amp puts out some decent power and we will have our Stage 2 plug and play amp which will be in the 65-75W RMS so our drivers can handle aftermarket power if they are powered and processed correctly. Quote:
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Many a car audio spec is simply pulled out of the air and most after doing some research figure this out. Just look @ 4-Ohms when bridged so the specs are plan and simple... wrong. Quote:
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because we've designed it from the ground up to work with the factory amplifier, power output, wiring, and built-in crossovers found in your vehicle. By eliminating the factory amplifier, you'll also eliminate the factory crossovers and change the frequencies and amount of power each speaker receives, meaning they won't be operating in their ideal range and are likely to be damaged, or at minimum sound pretty terrible. While it is theoretically possible to install an aftermarket amplifier and crossover configuration that would be compatible with our Stage 1, it is not something we would be able to provide information on or support in any way. It would also void our 100% satisfaction guarantee and the product warranty. With that said, and as I said above, we are working on a plug and play amp. When will it definitely be done? I do not have an ETA right now but we have to make sure it is 100% correct on something like this! Quote:
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09-02-2011, 11:00 AM | #144 |
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Wow, I can't believe how much complaining some of you guys do. Have you ever asked BMW for their response curves on the Logic 7 when you checked the box for what, triple the cost of this BSW stuff?
I've owned BMWs, saabs and some japanese vehicles and I'll tell you when looking for a PnP solution that actually sounds decent for a reasonable (i know big, subjective word here) cost you really can't expect or find much more. If the E90 stuff is on par with the kit I had in my E36 M3 I'll be happy. Bitching about things online is such a cop-out. If you have a question, pick up the phone and call. They'll answer and then you won't have to come on here spewing the stuff you thought up in your head. Honestly, it's painful to look at some of this stuff. This thread is old, I know, but it needs to be mentioned. I hope some of you have changed your attitudes when you went from your early to mid 30's since this was posted. |
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09-21-2011, 11:33 PM | #145 | |
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02-04-2012, 12:16 PM | #149 |
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The bsw stage i is a speaker upgrade. Nothing more. If you want to upgrade the base system you have more work to do. One of The cheapest would be the oem alpine upgrade
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02-04-2012, 12:49 PM | #152 |
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02-04-2012, 08:29 PM | #154 |
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i had them for about 2 years hooked up to an aftermarket amp with zero issues
they were high passed at 80hz at 24b just don't give them 100 watts and expect them to survive my amp was putting out 50w rms and they were great
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