DME: Winkfp errors 211/9000 Signature Check Failed

lcervantes_85 · 07-19-2020, 07:04 PM

I'm having issues flashing my DME with Winkfp. I'm using Bimmerlabs batch files. I've tried several times and always receive 211 "Error on flash programming!" and 9000 "Security Access Denied" errors along with Signature Check Failed. Car cranks but will not start due to DME programming aborted.

Previously, I flashed Bimmerlabs RSA Delete and 330i tune. Everything worked with no issues and test drive. A few days later, car was down on power requiring depressing gas pedal to floor to reach 80mph.

I tried flashing back to stock 325i tune to see if power issue was related to 330i tune. Unfortunately, battery was weak and died while flashing at work. I had to tow car home. I replaced battery/hooked up charger and have tried flashing DME with 325i tune, 330i tune and RSA Delete multiple times all with same errors.

Is my DME bricked? Can it be recovered? Please help!

E92William · 07-19-2020, 09:18 PM

Crap! Hopefully it isn't bricked. Idk enough to help troubleshoot but someone will chime in. This was one of my main worries with flashing without a battery tender so I did it right after driving.

Leucosticte · 07-20-2020, 02:11 AM

Use ISTA and see if the ECU is in programming abort state. If the ECU does not respond then that's where you're going to have big issues. If the ECU is in programming abort state, get a battery charger and flash it again. I recommend using WinFKP and letting it determine the ECU file by itself in comfort mode.

hassmaschine · 07-20-2020, 10:50 AM

What cable do you have? Did you follow the instructions for setting up the cable?

I doubt your DME is bricked, but worst case MSV70 can easily be recovered with a bench flash. In WinKFP expert mode, are you able to use the tools to identify the DME? If it can read the DME, it can flash it.

You also didn't need to reflash the RSA delete - both the 325i and 330i run on the same program, but I suppose that doesn't help you much now. but in the future, you can flash any tune for the same program without reflashing the entire DME.

lcervantes_85 · 07-20-2020, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kakapo

Use ISTA and see if the ECU is in programming abort state. If the ECU does not respond then that's where you're going to have big issues. If the ECU is in programming abort state, get a battery charger and flash it again. I recommend using WinFKP and letting it determine the ECU file by itself in comfort mode.

DME shows Programming Abort State in ISTA with blue outline. Also, there many error codes. As mentioned, i tried reflashing several times after installing new battery with charger hooked up. Same error every time.

lcervantes_85 · 07-20-2020, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

What cable do you have? Did you follow the instructions for setting up the cable?

I doubt your DME is bricked, but worst case MSV70 can easily be recovered with a bench flash. In WinKFP expert mode, are you able to use the tools to identify the DME? If it can read the DME, it can flash it.

You also didn't need to reflash the RSA delete - both the 325i and 330i run on the same program, but I suppose that doesn't help you much now. but in the future, you can flash any tune for the same program without reflashing the entire DME.

I'm using BimmerGeeks Pro K+DCAN cable. Flashing stock 325i tune with Winkfp batch file takes ~10 minutes with 100% completion. Just receive error message upon return to DOS command prompt every time with any tune.

hassmaschine · 07-20-2020, 05:52 PM

The tune shouldn't take 10 minutes to flash - it's around 30-45 seconds. Again, you don't need to flash the whole thing every time, just the parameters (0da).

What if you flash the stock program in expert mode? you should be able to download the batch flash from bimmerlabs, and then flash the stock parameters if that takes. as long as ISTA is communicating (that means the boot sector is alive and well), it should work.

Boot sector update is disabled, correct?

lcervantes_85 · 07-21-2020, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

The tune shouldn't take 10 minutes to flash - it's around 30-45 seconds. Again, you don't need to flash the whole thing every time, just the parameters (0da).

What if you flash the stock program in expert mode? you should be able to download the batch flash from bimmerlabs, and then flash the stock parameters if that takes. as long as ISTA is communicating (that means the boot sector is alive and well), it should work.

Boot sector update is disabled, correct?

Yes, flashing 0da takes less than 1 minute while 0pa takes ~10 minutes or more. WinKFP completes flash 100% but same "Signature Check Failure" error whether flashing 0da or 0pa.

I will try flashing DME again since car has been sitting for 2 days. I've been using Bimmerlabs files and running batch process only. Previously, I successfully flashed RSA Delete and 330i tune files from Bimmerlabs.

Correct, "activate Bootsectorupdate" box is unchecked in WinKFP configuration.

hassmaschine · 07-21-2020, 08:54 AM

Did your battery die while flashing the program or the tune?

If a flash still won't take, a workaround could be to force an erase.

Leucosticte · 07-21-2020, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

The tune shouldn't take 10 minutes to flash - it's around 30-45 seconds. Again, you don't need to flash the whole thing every time, just the parameters (0da).

What if you flash the stock program in expert mode? you should be able to download the batch flash from bimmerlabs, and then flash the stock parameters if that takes. as long as ISTA is communicating (that means the boot sector is alive and well), it should work.

Boot sector update is disabled, correct?

Wouldn't he need to flash the entire thing as he already screwed up by failing the rsa delete multiple times?

hassmaschine · 07-21-2020, 01:14 PM

Yes, this time, but it wasn't necessary before, even if the parameter flash got interrupted or failed.

lcervantes_85 · 07-21-2020, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

Did your battery die while flashing the program or the tune?

If a flash still won't take, a workaround could be to force an erase.

I think battery died when I was flashing program (stock 325i). Although, I'm not positive as I've been switching between flashing program and tune files multiple times.

I'm willing to force erase if that will solve flashing issue.

lcervantes_85 · 07-22-2020, 01:17 PM

Is there a flash counter and limit with MSV70? I asked because I read some older BMW DME had counter that needed to be reset.

hassmaschine · 07-22-2020, 01:29 PM

No, there's no limit or counter. there are a limited number of UIF slots, but they can be cleared with BDM, and regardless the batch flash doesn't write to the UIF.

lcervantes_85 · 07-22-2020, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

No, there's no limit or counter. there are a limited number of UIF slots, but they can be cleared with BDM, and regardless the batch flash doesn't write to the UIF.

Thanks for info. I would appreciate if you could provide instructions for force erase of DME.

hassmaschine · 07-22-2020, 05:37 PM

It requires a special program. Basically if we know the DME can communicate, we bypass WinKFP and send the erase commands directly. Then the flash should take. I would like to know if the stock program will flash in Expert mode first (using the batch flash is fine). We already have a program for MSV80 but I'm not sure if it will work directly with MSV70 or if it needs modified.

It would also be worth double checking all the settings on your cable. Basically, force erase is a last resort, second only to mailing it to me for a bench flash. So far, you're the only person in like 4 years that I've seen with a potentially bricked DME, other than myself (when I was hand editing a file and totally screwed up the checksum ranges, lol).

Saico · 07-23-2020, 05:35 AM

I had a similar error after finished programming:

Engine would not start.

Solution was to give up batch files and setup WINKFP manually in expert mode with proper .0pa and .0da files. I also updated my DCAN cable firmware, which might have helped also.

hassmaschine · 07-23-2020, 10:29 AM

It shouldn't matter if you manually do it in expert mode vs the batch file - it's literally doing the same thing. Probably it was your cable firmware update that helped.

bluewater328 · 07-23-2020, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

No, there's no limit or counter. there are a limited number of UIF slots, but they can be cleared with BDM, and regardless the batch flash doesn't write to the UIF.

So I shouldn't worry that my "Number of free UIF" is 1? Is there anything to worry about regarding the UIF slots?

hassmaschine · 07-23-2020, 01:27 PM

Not really. Unless you're updating the UIF, it doesn't matter. In expert mode it should be disabled.

lcervantes_85 · 07-23-2020, 11:53 PM

I tried flashing several 0pa and 0da files again. Unfortunately, all completed 100% and still ended with same error "Security Check Failed".
Here's some screenshots from INPA and ISTA. BTW, some errors are due to CIC retrofit with emulator.

INPA - UIF

ISTA - DME

SmallDave · 08-03-2020, 01:16 PM

I wanted to post here as I'm having the exact same issue (emailed into bimmerlabs yesterday currently waiting for a response).

I had an awful time getting the RSA Delete file to flash, however, I did get it successfully flash. When I tried to flash the tune file, I received a VIN error. I started from scratch and reinstalled everything but am having this issue with in comfort/expert mode.

Lastly, I just bought my cable from bimmergeeks a couple of weeks ago so the cable should be up to date.

07-19-2020, 07:04 PM	#1
lcervantes_85 New Member 2 Rep 8 Posts Drives: 325i e90 Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	DME: Winkfp errors 211/9000 Signature Check Failed I'm having issues flashing my DME with Winkfp. I'm using Bimmerlabs batch files. I've tried several times and always receive 211 "Error on flash programming!" and 9000 "Security Access Denied" errors along with Signature Check Failed. Car cranks but will not start due to DME programming aborted. Previously, I flashed Bimmerlabs RSA Delete and 330i tune. Everything worked with no issues and test drive. A few days later, car was down on power requiring depressing gas pedal to floor to reach 80mph. I tried flashing back to stock 325i tune to see if power issue was related to 330i tune. Unfortunately, battery was weak and died while flashing at work. I had to tow car home. I replaced battery/hooked up charger and have tried flashing DME with 325i tune, 330i tune and RSA Delete multiple times all with same errors. Is my DME bricked? Can it be recovered? Please help!
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E92William Banned 1998 Rep 2,026 Posts Drives: 2008 E92 328xi Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Miami iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 BMW 328xi [0.00]	Crap! Hopefully it isn't bricked. Idk enough to help troubleshoot but someone will chime in. This was one of my main worries with flashing without a battery tender so I did it right after driving.
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Leucosticte First Lieutenant 205 Rep 345 Posts Drives: 2007 BMW 328xi E92 6mt swap Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 BMW 328xi [0.00]	Use ISTA and see if the ECU is in programming abort state. If the ECU does not respond then that's where you're going to have big issues. If the ECU is in programming abort state, get a battery charger and flash it again. I recommend using WinFKP and letting it determine the ECU file by itself in comfort mode.
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hassmaschine Major General 3966 Rep 7,215 Posts Drives: "NBO" 330i Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: earth iTrader: (0)	What cable do you have? Did you follow the instructions for setting up the cable? I doubt your DME is bricked, but worst case MSV70 can easily be recovered with a bench flash. In WinKFP expert mode, are you able to use the tools to identify the DME? If it can read the DME, it can flash it. You also didn't need to reflash the RSA delete - both the 325i and 330i run on the same program, but I suppose that doesn't help you much now. but in the future, you can flash any tune for the same program without reflashing the entire DME.
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hassmaschine Major General 3966 Rep 7,215 Posts Drives: "NBO" 330i Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: earth iTrader: (0)	The tune shouldn't take 10 minutes to flash - it's around 30-45 seconds. Again, you don't need to flash the whole thing every time, just the parameters (0da). What if you flash the stock program in expert mode? you should be able to download the batch flash from bimmerlabs, and then flash the stock parameters if that takes. as long as ISTA is communicating (that means the boot sector is alive and well), it should work. Boot sector update is disabled, correct?
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hassmaschine Major General 3966 Rep 7,215 Posts Drives: "NBO" 330i Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: earth iTrader: (0)	Did your battery die while flashing the program or the tune? If a flash still won't take, a workaround could be to force an erase.
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hassmaschine Major General 3966 Rep 7,215 Posts Drives: "NBO" 330i Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: earth iTrader: (0)	Yes, this time, but it wasn't necessary before, even if the parameter flash got interrupted or failed.
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lcervantes_85 New Member 2 Rep 8 Posts Drives: 325i e90 Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	Is there a flash counter and limit with MSV70? I asked because I read some older BMW DME had counter that needed to be reset.
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hassmaschine Major General 3966 Rep 7,215 Posts Drives: "NBO" 330i Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: earth iTrader: (0)	No, there's no limit or counter. there are a limited number of UIF slots, but they can be cleared with BDM, and regardless the batch flash doesn't write to the UIF.
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hassmaschine Major General 3966 Rep 7,215 Posts Drives: "NBO" 330i Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: earth iTrader: (0)	It requires a special program. Basically if we know the DME can communicate, we bypass WinKFP and send the erase commands directly. Then the flash should take. I would like to know if the stock program will flash in Expert mode first (using the batch flash is fine). We already have a program for MSV80 but I'm not sure if it will work directly with MSV70 or if it needs modified. It would also be worth double checking all the settings on your cable. Basically, force erase is a last resort, second only to mailing it to me for a bench flash. So far, you're the only person in like 4 years that I've seen with a potentially bricked DME, other than myself (when I was hand editing a file and totally screwed up the checksum ranges, lol). Last edited by hassmaschine; 07-22-2020 at 05:42 PM..
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Saico Private 30 Rep 85 Posts Drives: 330xi Join Date: May 2018 Location: PL iTrader: (0)	I had a similar error after finished programming: Engine would not start. Solution was to give up batch files and setup WINKFP manually in expert mode with proper .0pa and .0da files. I also updated my DCAN cable firmware, which might have helped also.
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hassmaschine Major General 3966 Rep 7,215 Posts Drives: "NBO" 330i Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: earth iTrader: (0)	It shouldn't matter if you manually do it in expert mode vs the batch file - it's literally doing the same thing. Probably it was your cable firmware update that helped.
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hassmaschine Major General 3966 Rep 7,215 Posts Drives: "NBO" 330i Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: earth iTrader: (0)	Not really. Unless you're updating the UIF, it doesn't matter. In expert mode it should be disabled.
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lcervantes_85 New Member 2 Rep 8 Posts Drives: 325i e90 Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	I tried flashing several 0pa and 0da files again. Unfortunately, all completed 100% and still ended with same error "Security Check Failed". Here's some screenshots from INPA and ISTA. BTW, some errors are due to CIC retrofit with emulator. INPA - UIF ISTA - DME
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SmallDave Private 30 Rep 76 Posts Drives: 128i Sport Package Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Maine iTrader: (0)	I wanted to post here as I'm having the exact same issue (emailed into bimmerlabs yesterday currently waiting for a response). I had an awful time getting the RSA Delete file to flash, however, I did get it successfully flash. When I tried to flash the tune file, I received a VIN error. I started from scratch and reinstalled everything but am having this issue with in comfort/expert mode. Lastly, I just bought my cable from bimmergeeks a couple of weeks ago so the cable should be up to date. Attached Images
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