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      12-05-2014, 04:23 PM   #1
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Code 4530 - Turbo Control - Vacuum System

Here is a fault script:
Code 4530: Charge pressure control error / TCU pos / Air-filling control / Air charge control, anomaly / Air-filling control, deviation / Air-filled deviation

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      12-06-2014, 06:17 PM   #2
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I have the same code and will be taking care of it on Monday.

What silicone tubing are you going to go with?

Here are a couple threads I found helpful:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...=710353&page=3

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=876519
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I think this code is quite generic that may cover issues related to any of the three control valves. Shorts and electric problems on the three will garner a different error code.

Thanks for the threads I shall check them out.

I had some ugly blue silicone hose kicking around that I used temporarily, it fit perfect as had a 5mm ID. I shall buy just plain black to keep OEM look and will try to find the one that is oil resistant. Alternatively, I may use Viton hoses. They are pricy but are still temperature resistant to 200F and are oil/fuel etc resistant as well. May be an overkill though. I also like the braided outer shell, so if I will not find any like that I may just do my own braiding. I have some nylon ones around.
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Update: drove the car for over 200mi after the "repair". Drives so much better with much more get up and go. Getting to higher rpm ranges still triggers limp. I figure it must be the pressure converter that I had moved from the turbo control to wastegate control. And it makes sense. Will order a new pressure converter and will update. My local dealer wants $233, lol. Will have to get from other vendors.
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      12-06-2014, 09:22 PM   #5
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If I can get it back from my buddy who "borrowed" my vacuum gauge a while ago we can check each controller on the vacuum gauge and look for sticky spots on the compressor by-pass etc, flaps etc. With the smokey tune your running you could have a gummy controller. Or we break out my multimeter and compare my resistances to yours to see if there is a big discrepancy. I haven't checked the wiring diagrams you sent me but a lot of times they tell you the resistances right on the diagrams.
Also try new line hose and fitting for heat/oil resistant hose. Checking hoses is easy block one end and blow into the other, doubt its your hoses, after ten years sure but shelf life on hoses are normally 5-10 years.
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Did the 5mm hoses fit well? I thought the factory size is 3.5mm.

Also, the best price I have been able to find on the converters was from Husker Parts (http://www.huskerparts.com) at $107.
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If I can get it back from my buddy who "borrowed" my vacuum gauge a while ago we can check each controller on the vacuum gauge and look for sticky spots on the compressor by-pass etc, flaps etc. With the smokey tune your running you could have a gummy controller. Or we break out my multimeter and compare my resistances to yours to see if there is a big discrepancy. I haven't checked the wiring diagrams you sent me but a lot of times they tell you the resistances right on the diagrams.
Also try new line hose and fitting for heat/oil resistant hose. Checking hoses is easy block one end and blow into the other, doubt its your hoses, after ten years sure but shelf life on hoses are normally 5-10 years.
Thanks Joe, you are right on the spot for checking the electrical and pneumatic parameters of the controllers.

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Mine is going to need a new vacuum canister as the old one was so brittle, it was falling apart.

Also, BMW has a service bulletin for these. It's SI B12-10-09 and I have attached it below:

SI B 12 10 09
Engine Electrical Systems February 2009
Technical Service

SUBJECT
E90, E70 M57Y Diesel - Diagnosis for DDE FC 4521/4530
MODEL
E70, E90 with M57Y engine
SITUATION
The Service Engine Soon lamp is illuminated (with a "Reduced Engine Power" message displayed in the CC), and one of the following fault codes may be stored in the DDE control module:
4521 – Charge air pressure control, control deviation, charge–air pressure too high
4530 - Charge air pressure control, control deviation, charge–air pressure too low.
CORRECTION
The possible causes for the induction undercharge/overcharge faults are:
Charged air leakage between the turbochargers and the intake manifold;
Air filter or air path before turbocharger clogged;
Incorrect operation of turbochargers actuators (low vacuum supply for wastegates, compressor bypass valve jammed, etc.);
Intake manifold pressure sensor malfunction;
Excessive backpressure in the exhaust system.
IMPORTANT:

Do NOT perform the ISID test module B1365_D7LMS (Air Mass System Test) which is called for the faults 4521/4530. The test module, in its current version, is not applicable for the M57Y US engine version and may produce implausible results, leading to unnecessary component replacement. Test module B1365_D7LMS will be corrected with future releases of ISTA/D.

In case fault codes 4521 or 4530 are stored, perform the following test modules:

B1362_D6TRK (Turbine control flap – wastegate control of the smaller turbocharger);
B1362_ D6WGV (Turbine control flap – wastegate control of the larger turbocharger);
B1362_D6VBK (Multistage turbo charging – US diesel).
To check the integrity of the intake system, perform the smoke test, using BMW approved smoke generating equipment (VACUTECreg; Smoke Machine 625-522B-BMW).

Refer to SI B16 01 07 for detailed information related to the VACUTECreg; Smoke Machine 625-522B-BMW.
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A lot of good info in this thread. Thanks for posting.
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      12-10-2014, 01:47 AM   #10
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Thanks TDI.

Thanks 9mm for posting that SIB. Interestingly, with the FC 4530 they call for a too low of a charge air pressure which could be related to a bad turbo swithover valve or a bad compressor bypass valve. Wastegate? I am not too sure. They discuss the wastegate but also refer to high pressure and low pressure side ones. I thought there was only one wastegate. May be it is turbo switchover reference. Anyway, judging from the SIB, all three controllers need to be checked as I have originally thought.

And this also proves that FC 4530 is quite generic. I was getting it as a shadow code when I am quite certain, low pressure side was not kicking in (large turbo), turbo switchover valve. I was running rich and smokey. I have moved the pressure converters around and swapped the electric changeover valve form the EGR. Now I am getting great power, not running rich and smokey and feel that turbos are both working. But at higher rpm, I get a limp mode, no SES light and still a shadow 4530.

So, the pressure converter is on order and we shall see if it was it. Hopefully. Otherwise, it is something stuck, like a wastegate.

Also, I suppose I should go and check the red charge pipe....
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Here are some pictures. Plain RED arrow is where the front of the car is.

Turbos with a top heat shield removed. Aft of the turbos is where all this mess is mounted. Already removed in this photo.

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      12-10-2014, 10:59 AM   #12
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Thanks for the pictures. Just an update on my pressure converters: they actually ended up being fine. It was the vacuum lines causing the fault codes. Once the vacuum lines were replaced, the 4530 code went away and power was restored.
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Yohz, this is real nice to photo all of this and the wonderful tech data too. 2 things.
1)How the heck did E90post allow all of these photos to be brought in and high def ones too? I always run into file size limit.I do a direct post from local store of files on hard disc and don't use the photo bucket method. Is the online store allowing you to somehow bypass these limits?
2) Moderator, this one is likely to need a sticky or atleast I nominate it for a sticky.
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Thanks for your confidence BB_cuda. I wish I would be able to provide a better diagnostic algorithm for these controllers for this post to be worthy of a sticky. I just thought to make this thread as some of these issues pop up on the European scene and not in such a distant future we shall see them as well. I ran some parameters tonight and may be will post graphs here.

For the photos, I have this old small Canon 6mp camera that has been in a sand in Fiji, but it takes great macros. Before uploading I resize just under the max allowed size, I think something like 1500x1200, and they turn out to be not bad.
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Interstingly, exhaust gas pressure does not go past a certain point. Does it mean that the wastegate is operating properly. Graphs are my drive home mainly in a city and rush hour traffic. Done through BMWHat parameter logging.

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This is the functioning of the turbine bypass valve, the one that opens from high pressure (small turbo) to the low pressure (large turbo). In %. You can see that this goes hand in hand to the above graph.

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Setpoint for boost look fairly obvious

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I think the top on one is a high pressure side and bottom is a low pressure side.
What is an anomaly is that dip over the 16-121 points that is not present in the high pressure side.
Negative deviation is an overboost condition. And if it is on a low pressure stage then this looks potentially like a wastegate.
This is a spot I have laid quite heavy on the throttle but got some flat spotting. Too bad I did not track boost.

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Negative deviation is an overboost condition. ...
Love the data.

You might be interested in this plot of similar parameters from some testing I had done early on with the Ecotune/DPF stuff.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=701

I overlaid the desired and actual boost along with the deviation for a full fueling run. Because the system doesn't have an infinitely fast response time the "actual" boost has a slight time lag as the system tries to hit the "desired" boost. It's possible to get negative and positive deviations that are not necessarily due to an over/under boost condition, but rather time delay in the system responding the new "commanded" points from the maps.
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Just curious, Have you done a smoke test to check for any intake leaks?
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Just curious, Have you done a smoke test to check for any intake leaks?
I have not yet. But if there is a leak, it would be at higher PSI.
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It's possible to get negative and positive deviations that are not necessarily due to an over/under boost condition, but rather time delay in the system responding the new "commanded" points from the maps.
Thanks TDI. I wish I would have a BT tool so I can see actual vs desired. For now I am limited to BMWhat and Torque.
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