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      06-18-2018, 08:27 AM   #1
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Separation of Families at Border

Good or bad? I say bad.
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      06-18-2018, 08:34 AM   #2
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Bad, send all of them back. Being a child shouldnt grant you a free pass to violate the law.
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bad cause ditto norman.

you start allowing families to stay because their kids made it across, and suddenly, there are a lot more child abductions, child slavery, etc. with people trying to stay "legally"
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Bad, send all of them back. Being a child shouldnt grant you a free pass to violate the law.
Some of these people are escaping terrible violence in their countries, and are asylum seekers here in the US. For them to cross the border, instead of going to a port of entry is a misdemeanor. These people are breaking a law along the same line as going 20mph over the speed limit.

Maybe a little bit a compassion can be exercised.

This is a Trump policy that was enacted at the beginning of May. Jeff Sessions stood up and said "Zero Tolerance" for people that cross the border. Maybe Trump can be a man and stand by the policy his AG set.

Sessions Vows to Divide Families
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It bad.........send them all back together. You should not be able to throw your child across the boarder and say see my child is an American and so am I.

Also separating them has to be crazy sad for the kids and the parents. I don’t agree how they are coming into the country but I don’t want to see them harmed.

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Some of these people are escaping terrible violence in their countries, and are asylum seekers here in the US. For them to cross the border, instead of going to a port of entry is a misdemeanor. These people are breaking a law along the same line as going 20mph over the speed limit.

Maybe a little bit a compassion can be exercised.

This is a Trump policy that was enacted at the beginning of May. Jeff Sessions stood up and said "Zero Tolerance" for people that cross the border. Maybe Trump can be a man and stand by the policy his AG set.

Sessions Vows to Divide Families
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...ids-at-border/

read up

If they want asylum, they can do that without illegally crossing and splitting up their family.

if they want to stay together after a brief stint apart, they plead guilty right away and the entire family is sent back.

if they dont want to split up at all, they just dont illegally cross the border.
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I can't believe this is happening in the USA. Disgraceful.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...migrant-camps/
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As with anything there need to be good people and accountability when dealing with these situations. I am in no way saying people should be miss treated. But they should know that there is no free ride into any country when they are trying to escape their own because it sucks.

Every single person coming into a country should be documented in some way and tracked. If I was trying to get into another country I would have no issue with letting this happen.
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I can't believe this is happening in the USA. Disgraceful.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...migrant-camps/
A link to a highly opinionated diatribe is supposed to be news?
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A link to a highly opinionated diatribe is supposed to be news?
No excuses.
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No excuses.
There is no easy fix but we need to start some place. I will never understand how people can treat other people poorly when they don’t deserve it. By “treat” I mean in a abusing fiscal way. Not you hurt my feelings.
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Don't like it? Don't come here. Problem solved.

Your country is shit? Work on fixing it. Problem solved.
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Don't like it? Don't come here. Problem solved.

Your country is shit? Work on fixing it. Problem solved.
I agree! It’s like the people that complain about their neighborhoods and want everyone else to fix it for free instead of them helping to fix it.
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I can't believe this is happening in the USA. Disgraceful.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...migrant-camps/
This will not help the trade negotiations. There is no way politicians can give an inch and get re-elected anywhere but north Korea if they are seen as kowtowing to trump.

I can't see why they'd take such a huge image hit to spend money on a wall that'll be good only as a climbing exercise but the list of things I don't understand these days is getting so long If I wrote it on paper it could operate as the wall.
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What a mess...they are turing on each other. Even that lunatic Conway is against the policy.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-...g-republicans/
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What a mess...they are turing on each other. Even that lunatic Conway is against the policy.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-...g-republicans/
the thing is, congress could fix the laws that have been on the books for awhile to change this.

but its much easier to pretend to be against it and score brownie points with your voters, than it is to actually do something.

change the holding times for children, change the wait times for trials/amnesty hearings so they dont go past the wait time for the kids, etc.

they arent keeping the kids and deporting the parents like they want you to believe, they hold the kids separate until the parents get deported, then reunite them. Or they hold them until the amnesty is granted, then reunite them. The problem is the holding time for kids is 20 days, and amnesty times go on for months.
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I love how people act like there was no laws before Trump came along.

Well maybe that was the problem?
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I love how people act like there was no laws before Trump came along.

Well maybe that was the problem?
The current attorney general issued a policy that said "Zero Tolerance" at the border. Previous administrations hadn't followed the law with such tactic.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ivide-families
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The current attorney general issued a policy that said "Zero Tolerance" at the border. Previous administrations hadn't followed the law with such tactic.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ivide-families
right.

the laws were there, just not enforced.
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I love how people act like there was no laws before Trump came along.

Well maybe that was the problem?
Separating the kids from their parents in lot a law, it's a policy. I have no problem with detaining/deporting the entire family.
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deplorable behaviour...

Right on form.
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Send them all back, and please stop being persuaded by the mind control of showing little kids crying while clinging to an adult's leg or something. It plays to the most basic human emotion because we all want to protect little children. Drop the emotion, and go by the rule of law and what is fair to all.

They're illegal along with the rest of their family, they ALL go back. Get in line and come in the right way.
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