[Phyrexia]

I motion that Noir starts an intercooler thread.

I'm interested in how the piping would work given the orientation of the ESS unit.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by Phyrexia

I motion that Noir starts an intercooler thread.

I'm interested in how the piping would work given the orientation of the ESS unit.

I motion that Noir starts a meth injection thread.

I'm interested in how the meth lines would work given the orientation of the ESS unit.

[Noir]

meth is more cost effective I'm sure... I'd love to overkill and do both and run 12 pounds
My ass just needs to get back in the car and enjoy what she's become thus far and start the planning again. injectors will be like 700 according to Randall so gotta keep that in mind for full e85
Can't wait for fall and winter.

[Cdutch513]

I've been wanting to do meth for a while now but the car is running good and I like it. I've been at 300 whp for over a year also. In PHX with 100 degree ambient temps on the dyno.
Super weirded out by the honey comb piece as my kit didn't come with one. I got my kit in 2014ish and have been mafless the entire time.
When I hit 300, it was with a 3IM and ESS's new 330 Euro time.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by Noir

meth is more cost effective I'm sure... I'd love to overkill and do both and run 12 pounds
My ass just needs to get back in the car and enjoy what she's become thus far and start the planning again. injectors will be like 700 according to Randall so gotta keep that in mind for full e85
Can't wait for fall and winter.

Meth will cool your intake charge and act as fuel, you could spray and pray in the CP. That is what I do any many on the N54 platform. It is generally accepted as ok as long as your are not spraying a fire hose of meth for fueling. You would certainly not be spraying so much it would be a concern, imo, at your power level. If you can run E50 or whatever and then meth on top. Anything more than E50 the gains are not really there anyways, just easier at the pump but it strains the fuel system much more.

You can install direct port meth for under $700 if you didn't want charge pipe meth injection depending on your pump, controller, etc.

Meth injection will lower the air intake temperature charge more than an intercooler. An intercooler is just a heat sink. So it can only cool as much as the ambient air unless you water cool it(which ads complexity).

Just some thoughts. Happy to discuss meth or I am sure BPC is more than qualified to give their opinions on which way you should go.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by Torgus

Meth will cool your intake charge and act as fuel, you could spray and pray in the CP. That is what I do any many on the N54 platform. It is generally accepted as ok as long as your are not spraying a fire hose of meth for fueling. You would certainly not be spraying so much it would be a concern, imo, at your power level. If you can run E50 or whatever and then meth on top. Anything more than E50 the gains are not really there anyways, just easier at the pump but it strains the fuel system much more.

You can install direct port meth for under $700 if you didn't want charge pipe meth injection depending on your pump, controller, etc.

Meth injection will lower the air intake temperature charge more than an intercooler. An intercooler is just a heat sink. So it can only cool as much as the ambient air unless you water cool it(which ads complexity).

Just some thoughts. Happy to discuss meth or I am sure BPC is more than qualified to give their opinions on which way you should go.

You can be my Heisenberg! LOL
Dude you might be the lead.
They get pretty busy, so I may get a final opinion from them but I'm certain its easier to hash out ideas here anyways.
And thanks for the ideas and clarifications!

[Cdutch513]

Originally Posted by Torgus

Meth will cool your intake charge and act as fuel, you could spray and pray in the CP. That is what I do any many on the N54 platform. It is generally accepted as ok as long as your are not spraying a fire hose of meth for fueling. You would certainly not be spraying so much it would be a concern, imo, at your power level. If you can run E50 or whatever and then meth on top. Anything more than E50 the gains are not really there anyways, just easier at the pump but it strains the fuel system much more.

You can install direct port meth for under $700 if you didn't want charge pipe meth injection depending on your pump, controller, etc.

Meth injection will lower the air intake temperature charge more than an intercooler. An intercooler is just a heat sink. So it can only cool as much as the ambient air unless you water cool it(which ads complexity).

Just some thoughts. Happy to discuss meth or I am sure BPC is more than qualified to give their opinions on which way you should go.

Can't do port meth injection because it's already port injection, right?

[Noir]

Originally Posted by Cdutch513

I've been wanting to do meth for a while now but the car is running good and I like it. I've been at 300 whp for over a year also. In PHX with 100 degree ambient temps on the dyno.
Super weirded out by the honey comb piece as my kit didn't come with one. I got my kit in 2014ish and have been mafless the entire time.
When I hit 300, it was with a 3IM and ESS's new 330 Euro time.

Nice! :0
I am planning to do your catch can DIY.
Your filter staying dry after that?
I'm pretty worried about that part, too.

[Cdutch513]

Originally Posted by Noir

Nice! :0
I am planning to do your catch can DIY.
Your filter staying dry after that?
I'm pretty worried about that part, too.

It's actually not. The filter gets oil still but the strange part is the catch can has barely anything in it.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by Cdutch513

Can't do port meth injection because it's already port injection, right?

I would suggest drilling and tapping bungs for the meth like this as an example on the N54.

I don't see why having both would be an issue. He will be spraying a very small amount of meth into in intake runner.

The scorpion:



This is a meth sandwich plate:


Off the shelf kit:


Aquamist(my favorite manufacture of all things meth):


Home made with AN fittings and stainless tubes flared at the end:


If you want to make a thread dedicated to all things meth it might make the most sense and this is a bit off topic for the thread. I don't care. Happy to share what I know about it. I am by no means an expert.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by Torgus

I would suggest drilling and tapping bungs for the meth like this as an example on the N54.

I don't see why having both would be an issue. He will be spraying a very small amount of meth into in intake runner.

The scorpion:



This is a meth sandwich plate:


Off the shelf kit:


Aquamist(my favorite manufacture of all things meth):


Home made with AN fittings and stainless tubes flared at the end:


If you want to make a thread dedicated to all things meth it might make the most sense and this is a bit off topic for the thread. I don't care. Happy to share what I know about it. I am by no means an expert.

Aquamist looks purdy O_O"

[Noir]

All of it influences the direction I take, so it can be in here! I'm not worried.

[Cdutch513]

Originally Posted by Noir

All of it influences the direction I take, so it can be in here! I'm not worried.

When you go meth, make sure to put up a post about it! Locations of everything and whatnot.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by Cdutch513

When you go meth, make sure to put up a post about it! Locations of everything and whatnot.

for sure!

[Seattlesquash]

Originally Posted by Cdutch513

I've been wanting to do meth for a while now but the car is running good and I like it. I've been at 300 whp for over a year also. In PHX with 100 degree ambient temps on the dyno.
Super weirded out by the honey comb piece as my kit didn't come with one. I got my kit in 2014ish and have been mafless the entire time.
When I hit 300, it was with a 3IM and ESS's new 330 Euro time.

Impressive numbers, and could you expand on the EURO tune? Will get mine for 3 stage as well with latest ESS VT1+ tune (probably will get MAF and MAF less coding option so I can switch over for WA emission testing once year) but never heard of a Euro tune option. Thanks

[Cdutch513]

Originally Posted by Seattlesquash

Impressive numbers, and could you expand on the EURO tune? Will get mine for 3 stage as well with latest ESS VT1+ tune (probably will get MAF and MAF less coding option so I can switch over for WA emission testing once year) but never heard of a Euro tune option. Thanks

Their newest tune is based off of a 330. Makes it operate smoother. That tune is based from a euro model.

[Seattlesquash]

Originally Posted by Cdutch513

Their newest tune is based off of a 330. Makes it operate smoother. That tune is based from a euro model.

Great, thanks for quick response. I imagine that is what I get as default then! Appreciate it.

[Kubricks]

Originally Posted by Noir

e40!

So happy that it worked out for you in the end.
Right now you should stop thinking about future mods, collect the car and enjoy it for what it is first!

That power at high end is pretty addicting!

[WeekendWarriorz]

Alright, N55 guy over here. Been following this thread since a buddy of mine has been contemplating on supercharging his E90 330i.. I'm not trying to disrespect anyone here or anything but to the OP, you need a new tuner.. I honesty don't think BPC can produce the results that everyone is looking for, gains of roughly 10-15whp on e40 mix? You're kidding right. Ethanol on forced induction should make much more gains than that. This platform should be at 300+whp consistently on PUMP gas. Honestly consider a different tuner, RKtunes up in NY area would be a good start, I get that the N52 has valvetronic and it's difficult to tune but the N55 is similar and they cracked it on the N55 for custom flash tuning recently, same can be done for the n52 when it falls in the right hands. BPC has a few N/A N52's with N54 IM and FBO running 250-260whp, a 4-5k supercharger all for a 20-30whp extra gain. I'm sure others may agree but something needs to be done to push this platform further with this kit as it should be making more power than we're seeing, again not trying to disrespect anyone but the OP has spent lots of money and I hope he can get much better results!

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by WeekendWarriorz

Alright, N55 guy over here. Been following this thread since a buddy of mine has been contemplating on supercharging his E90 330i.. I'm not trying to disrespect anyone here or anything but to the OP, you need a new tuner.. I honesty don't think BPC can produce the results that everyone is looking for, gains of roughly 10-15whp on e40 mix? You're kidding right. Ethanol on forced induction should make much more gains than that. This platform should be at 300+whp consistently on PUMP gas. Honestly consider a different tuner, RKtunes up in NY area would be a good start, I get that the N52 has valvetronic and it's difficult to tune but the N55 is similar and they cracked it on the N55 for custom flash tuning recently, same can be done for the n52 when it falls in the right hands. BPC has a few N/A N52's with N54 IM and FBO running 250-260whp, a 4-5k supercharger all for a 20-30whp extra gain. I'm sure others may agree but something needs to be done to push this platform further with this kit as it should be making more power than we're seeing, again not trying to disrespect anyone but the OP has spent lots of money and I hope he can get much better results!

How much boost does the N55 need for 300whp again?
Got my answer - about 14lbs

So he's doing about the same on 6lbs and slightly higher compression. But I'm just going to ask, how do you assume that more power can be made - have any examples to pull from?

Here we go:

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...79&postcount=5

[WeekendWarriorz]

Originally Posted by Taskmaster

How much boost does the N55 need for 300whp again?

7 psi stock, 293whp in 98*. 14psi come on man... that's what JB4 map 2 targets and it makes much more than 300whp. And F series N55 is different from E series, they have a larger turbo form the factory and different fuel system. I'm not trying to bash anyone here. The supercharger is capable of making 350whp, what's stopping it? A mix of IAT/cooling and tuning.

[hassmaschine]

So.. Yeah. You proved his point. N52 might have more *potential* at a given boost level, but even a stock N55 runs more boost than an ESS N52.

Do we need to fight off N55 trolls too now? We should be best friends...