[RM7]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I'm not sure how you're comparing my company paying for my health insurance as part of my compensation package to tax payers subsidizing cars for people.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but how did you come to this conclusion that the two were equivalent?

Because you are a member of this society and you have a responsibility as a member. If you want to only pay for your own stuff, you need to buy your own island and pave your own roads, set up your own health care, build your EMS services, utilities, etc. There are lots of other social responsibilities. I just used that example to show that the people who are all about "I only wanna pay for my own stuff" are more than happy to spread that around when it directly benefits them, such as with health care, insurance, etc. In other words, you are ok with subsidizing stuff. No, society can't operate al la carte. But one day, we'll finally get those poor people to pay their fair share, right?

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

Just because someone buys a new car or a car with a warranty doesn't mean they're wealthy. Leases, being able to roll over negative equity into the next car loan, sub prime auto loans, and loan terms that now go out to 7 years have made new cars accessible to many people; even those that have no business buying a new car.

I think you don't understand the general public.

I've pointed this out before, many here have a skewed impression of how others live. I don't make that much but just my income income is $20k more than then national household income. That doesn't include my fiance's income.

And many of you make a significant sum more than that. Many of you guys have multiple times of money in cars as I have in my house.

[OkieSnuffBox]

I don't say that trying to sound jealous, I just know a bunch of you made different choices, and that has enriched you more than me.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I think you don't understand the general public.

I've pointed this out before, many here have a skewed impression of how others live. I don't make that much but just my income income is $20k more than then national household income. That doesn't include my fiance's income.

And many of you make a significant sum more than that. Many of you guys have multiple times of money in cars as I have in my house.

I do understand the general public. The keeping up with the Jones' meme used to describe a broad segment of the US population wasn't by accident.

So I don't understand your reply and why my post was quoted. As I said, pretty much anyone can buy a new car or a newer car with a warranty due to all the different creative financing options out there. Whether it's financially prudent for one to buy a product that takes an immediate depreciation hit is another. Or trading off the financial hit to gain a better sense of security against mechanical breakdown. That's up to the person as we're all adults and we're all free to do whatever.

I myself didn't buy a "nice" car till much later in my career/life. I've always drove econoboxes even though I could afford a car many times more than what I've been purchasing. I also end to buy new but I hold on to my vehicles for a long time so any depreciation discussion is moot.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by RM7

Because you are a member of this society and you have a responsibility as a member. If you want to only pay for your own stuff, you need to buy your own island and pave your own roads, set up your own health care, build your EMS services, utilities, etc. There are lots of other social responsibilities. I just used that example to show that the people who are all about "I only wanna pay for my own stuff" are more than happy to spread that around when it directly benefits them, such as with health care, insurance, etc. In other words, you are ok with subsidizing stuff. No, society can't operate al la carte. But one day, we'll finally get those poor people to pay their fair share, right?

Just because I don't want to pay for someone's $80k EV doesn't mean I don't want to pay for the roads to be paved.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Just because I don't want to pay for someone's $80k EV doesn't mean I don't want to pay for the roads to be paved.

This, I'm ok with paying taxes to cover the cost of healthcare, public safety, infrastructure, public transportation and education. But why should I subsidize someone else's personal transportation.

[freakystyly]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

This, I'm ok with paying taxes to cover the cost of healthcare, public safety, infrastructure, public transportation and education. But why should I subsidize someone else's personal transportation.

Can't mention infrastructure since they don't pay road taxes (yet). In spite of generally being larger and heavier.

[M5Rick]

The ex P M here that told us he's stopping fuel car sales in 2030 instead of 2040 is himself being investigated for lying to his parliamentary house party followers then.

[M3WC]

Ford will split out the EV business officially Q1 this quarter, named Ford Model E. Today they gave everyone a glimpse into their EV financials since 2021.


Ford expects to lose $3 billion on their EV division in 2023.

They lost $2.1 billion in 2022 and $900 million in 2021.

Goal is to be in green by 2026.



https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/202...ness-for-2023/

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

This, I'm ok with paying taxes to cover the cost of healthcare, public safety, infrastructure, public transportation and education. But why should I subsidize someone else's personal transportation.

But you already do, with the subsidizing of the oil industry. How comfortable would you be with $6/gal gas or more?

[M5Rick]

Do you have a system in the US where taxpayers pay for registered disabled peoples new cars?

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by RM7

But you already do, with the subsidizing of the oil industry. How comfortable would you be with $6/gal gas or more?

If we are going down that road, power that is fed into ev’s is also subsidized, some very substantially. Far more than gasoline.

Subsidizing the cars on top of that is like an added insult. Subsidizing a product that consumes highly subsidized energy.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Humorous is "subsidies" are just the Government not taxing the living shit out of you (or a corporation/industry) like they really want to do. It's all just either...

In many cases, it's just taking money out on one persons pocket, and putting into another's pocket. Depending on the year, some 50% of all citizens pay zero federal tax, yet we all get to use federal subsidized resources/benefits. There are people that literally don't pay their share.

I'm Ok with indigent people not paying, but 50% are not indigent. All that federal money comes from somewhere, and it seems it's not all of us.

[chassis]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Do you have a system in the US where taxpayers pay for registered disabled peoples new cars?

Not directly, to my knowledge. I have never knowingly paid specifically for a registered or "certified" disabled person's car.

I did a quick search in my state and it doesn't seem like a program as you described exists. The US does not have many programs that are comparable to those in the UK or Europe. That is a thread unto itself...!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by chassis

Not directly, to my knowledge. I have never knowingly paid specifically for a registered or "certified" disabled person's car.

I did a quick search in my state and it doesn't seem like a program as you described exists. The US does not have many programs that are comparable to those in the UK or Europe. That is a thread unto itself...!

It's taxes which don't figure to a lot of people. Over here disability benefits are vastly increased for those that have a new car or EV free on lease on Motability with insurance and servicing thrown in paid for in full by taxes. Agreed it is a thread unto itself maybe but falls into the category of subsidising which was being discussed earlier.

[M5Rick]

With reference to the war on drivers of older fuel cars from the Mayor of London attributable partly from EV's in the capitol, hard working people who depend on their older cars to make a living being already taxed to the hilt who can't afford new EV's are crying enough and forming protests.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/ca..._home#comments

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by RM7

Because you are a member of this society and you have a responsibility as a member. If you want to only pay for your own stuff, you need to buy your own island and pave your own roads, set up your own health care, build your EMS services, utilities, etc. There are lots of other social responsibilities. I just used that example to show that the people who are all about "I only wanna pay for my own stuff" are more than happy to spread that around when it directly benefits them, such as with health care, insurance, etc. In other words, you are ok with subsidizing stuff. No, society can't operate al la carte. But one day, we'll finally get those poor people to pay their fair share, right?

That was a pretty big leap.

People don't need an expensive EV subsidized.

I'm fine with my tax dollars paying for essential services, roads, schools, libraries, health insurance (especially this one because "preventative maintenance" care shown to be far cheaper than waiting for an issue to develop and then treating it which puts an even larger burden on the system as a whole, etc.

I think prisons should actually be reformatory and punitive. We know this is the case when you look at recidivism rates.

[g21]

To the original question,

Yes! But so far none meet expectations

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Humorous is "subsidies" are just the Government not taxing the living shit out of you (or a corporation/industry) like they really want to do. It's all just either...

I don't know if I'm misunderstanding what you're getting at.

But the literal definition of a subsidy is:

"a sum of money granted by the government or a public body to assist an industry or business so that the price of a commodity or service may remain low or competitive."

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Where does the Govenment get its money...?

You beat me to it.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

In many cases, it's just taking money out on one persons pocket, and putting into another's pocket. Depending on the year, some 50% of all citizens pay zero federal tax, yet we all get to use federal subsidized resources/benefits. There are people that literally don't pay their share.

I'm Ok with indigent people not paying, but 50% are not indigent. All that federal money comes from somewhere, and it seems it's not all of us.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Where does the Govenment get its money...?

don't waste your breath


people think the government shits gold and doesn't rob us blind

its a moral argument never supported by logic or dollars