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      03-19-2016, 01:11 PM   #133
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Nope no downpipes or intakes yet quite literally just turbos and a clutch were done. I got upgraded turbos because mine needed to be replaced and I knew I would want to tune the car eventually and in my opinion probably better (longevity) to push a better turbo to half what its capable of then a lesser (stock) turbo to 100% or more of what it can hold aka I would like for the turbos to last awhile (hopefully). I'm just glad to hear I'll have no problems getting to 400 on 93. From your question though seems i should maybe focus on intake and exhaust before FMIC?
It depends on how your intake air temps look now while running stock FMIC.

It sounds like you are tuning very conservative.

There is no proper order per say. They should all be done at some point.

If you have large IAT's right now then that is a sign you're in need of an FMIC as prioirity.

When I modified my 335i I did a Tune fist then intake and fmic at the same time.

I did downpipes last.
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I just want to run the Stage 1 + FMIC map on MHD tune. Everything else on my 2010 335xi is stock and will probably stay that way for the near future. Which FMIC would be recommended considering I live in Hawaii where its always 70-90 degrees? Also is an oil cooler recommended? Thanks!

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I just want to run the Stage 1 + FMIC map on MHD tune. Everything else on my 2010 335xi is stock and will probably stay that way for the near future. Which FMIC would be recommended considering I live in Hawaii where its always 70-90 degrees? Also is an oil cooler recommended? Thanks!
on a stage 1 car in a mild weather i would do Wagner EVO I performance, VRSF 5", Active Autowerke Sport or ETS 5"
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on a stage 1 car in a mild weather i would do Wagner EVO I performance, VRSF 5", Active Autowerke Sport or ETS 5"
ETS 5" sounds good, how much will you sell me one for?
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ETS 5" sounds good, how much will you sell me one for?
ETS is a great option and is true plug and play, no cutting required
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I just want to run the Stage 1 + FMIC map on MHD tune. Everything else on my 2010 335xi is stock and will probably stay that way for the near future. Which FMIC would be recommended considering I live in Hawaii where its always 70-90 degrees? Also is an oil cooler recommended? Thanks!
I'm same. Stage 1 Tune only. Rest stock.
Is 5" fmic bigger than stock fmic size or just better performance.
Original post mentions risk of covering over engine components and heatining them up
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I'm same. Stage 1 Tune only. Rest stock.
Is 5" fmic bigger than stock fmic size or just better performance.
Original post mentions risk of covering over engine components and heatining them up
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20" W x 5.12" H x 4.5" D= 460ci core volume 102sq/in ambient face

5" is bigger and keep in mind some manufacturers have the stepped core design which covers even more space (VRSF and Wagner)

Wagner EVO 1 dimensions vs stock
Size 520 x 210 x130, 11.752cm? Volume (OEM 510x130x110mm, 7293cm? Volume)
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Bump for a good seller and good deal.

After much consideration I went with the Wagner Evo 2 Comp. Can't wait to get it in and installed.
Just got mine installed last week. Worth it!
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Any intercooler recommendation for a single Turbo build? Would love to hear your thoughts
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Any intercooler recommendation for a single Turbo build? Would love to hear your thoughts
VRSF 7.5" stepped core intercooler
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VRSF 7.5" stepped core intercooler
Lol Mike! That was fast. Thanks

Mike how's your international shipping rates (Middle East - KSA)
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Lol Mike! That was fast. Thanks

Mike how's your international shipping rates (Middle East - KSA)


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      08-30-2016, 06:49 PM   #147
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      08-31-2016, 08:50 AM   #148
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Below is a 4th gear pull @ 35 PSI big single. This car made 790whp and the ambient temperature was 94 degrees Fahrenheit. As you can see there is a minimal 11 degree rise in intake temperatures and the boost maintains steadily throughout the RPM range providing adequate flow for the PTE 6466 turbo.

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so what IS that magical number where the DME starts pulling timing. Is the charge air temp Im viewing on my cobb the same as IAT's ?
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What would you guys recommend for a 335is with dp, dci, MHD tune, 93 oct, stock turbos? My goal is around 400 whp.

Is it true a 7" is overkill for stock turbos? And is the only difference between evo1 and evo2 the size?
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What would you guys recommend for a 335is with dp, dci, MHD tune, 93 oct, stock turbos? My goal is around 400 whp.

Is it true a 7" is overkill for stock turbos? And is the only difference between evo1 and evo2 the size?
I would recommend a bigger intercooler like the VRSF 7" (out of stock for a month) or the Wagner EVO 2.

EVO 1 and VRSF 5" would still get the job done, but its worth it to upgrade to a bigger FMIC at this power level.

Wagner offers 4 intercoolers:
EVO 1 Performance
EVO 2 Performance
EVO 1 Competition
EVO 2 Competition

Difference between EVO 1 and EVO 2 is size and end tank design.
EVO 1 is 100% plug and play, EVO 2 will require minor trimming

Performance is bar and plate intercooler, competition is a tube and fin intercooler

Tune and fin intercoolers are lighter and recover much faster which is the main reason why they are used by racing teams and serious track drivers
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I would recommend a bigger intercooler like the VRSF 7" (out of stock for a month) or the Wagner EVO 2.

EVO 1 and VRSF 5" would still get the job done, but its worth it to upgrade to a bigger FMIC at this power level.

Wagner offers 4 intercoolers:
EVO 1 Performance
EVO 2 Performance
EVO 1 Competition
EVO 2 Competition

Difference between EVO 1 and EVO 2 is size and end tank design.
EVO 1 is 100% plug and play, EVO 2 will require minor trimming

Performance is bar and plate intercooler, competition is a tube and fin intercooler

Tune and fin intercoolers are lighter and recover much faster which is the main reason why they are used by racing teams and serious track drivers
Thanks, I was hoping you would say 5" is just fine

I've read reports of lag on the bigger FMIC's. Anyway, now i'm debating on going cheaper with VRSF or EVO2. I still don't have a DP yet so I also need to save for that.
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Thanks, I was hoping you would say 5" is just fine

I've read reports of lag on the bigger FMIC's. Anyway, now i'm debating on going cheaper with VRSF or EVO2. I still don't have a DP yet so I also need to save for that.
At this power i would be more concerned about intake air temps, thats why i would not do 5"


BTW
VRSF is 7" single core
Wagner EVO 2 is 6.5" stepped core
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At this power i would be more concerned about intake air temps, thats why i would not do 5"


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VRSF is 7" single core
Wagner EVO 2 is 6.5" stepped core
Ok, so for a street tune and stock turbos, the Evo 2 performance is good enough or go with Evo 2 comp?
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