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      01-21-2020, 11:55 PM   #1
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ESR RF2 Forged 19x8.5 et.30/19x9.5 et.35 Rubbing Issues

Hi all, just installed a new set of wheels/tires on my E90 335i LCI M-Sport RWD. Found a set of ESR RF2 Forged wheels in matte bronze, specs are as follows:

Front: 19x8.5 et.30
Toyo Proxes 4 Plus 245/35/19

Rear: 19x9.5 et.35
Federal RS Pro R-Compounds 265/35/19

I have no suspension work done, just standard M-Sport suspension, and am having some pretty bad rubbing issues. More of a problem in the rear than the front, but do have rubbing on all four corners if the bump/undulation is bad enough.

I moved forward after believing the 245/35/19's would have no issues up front and read mixed reviews on if the 265/35/19's would fit in the rear, so odd that both are having such large rubbing issues. At this point I would prefer to keep the current tires as I think the 235/35/19 and 265/30/19 sidewalls are far too narrow (especially for LA roads), so I am left to ask: what are the easiest solutions aside from changing tire sizes?

At this point, I think my best option is to remove the front camber/alignment pins to add some negative camber to fix the front rubbing, and get a new alignment with ~ 2.0ļ camber in the rear and see where that leaves me.

Will this work, or is it a waste of time? Would a fender roll alone fix my problems? Fender roll in addition to more negative camber? Bite the bullet and buy new tires? Help me out here. Call me an idiot, scold me for my purchase, whatever. I love the look of these wheels and would really like to make the fitment work (I mean I'm on stock M-Sport suspension for god's sake!)

I appreciate any input you have!

Crappy phone pics to brighten up the post, serious photoshoot will happen when I can drive to a location without rubbing...
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Couple questions:
1. What are you running for a suspension? Maybe I missed that but didn't see it in your post.
Nvm - saw you are running MSport suspension, how old are the components?

2. Have you identified where you are rubbing? I ran 9.5 et 22 in the rears (255 width) and only got some minor rubbing where the rear bumper met the rear quarter.
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They simply don’t fit, the offset on both front and back is too aggressive. It’s easier to buy wheels that fit the car than to make the car fit the wheels. The setup looks good but then you’ve got to actually drive it.
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You need to upgrade your suspension, the stock suspension is too lofty and allows too much travel. You might also need to roll your rear fenders to get rid of the rubbing, but that should be addressed after suspension.

245/35/19 in front is big and commonly causes issues, 235/35/19 seems to be the safe spot. Difference in sidewall, ~5mm
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Couple questions:
1. What are you running for a suspension? Maybe I missed that but didn't see it in your post.
Nvm - saw you are running MSport suspension, how old are the components?

2. Have you identified where you are rubbing? I ran 9.5 et 22 in the rears (255 width) and only got some minor rubbing where the rear bumper met the rear quarter.
To my knowledge the components are factory, so were installed I believe July 2011.

Appears that most of the rear rubbing is actually on the opposite side from where yours was, I believe most of mine occurs on the quarter but on the side closest to the door. Which is a spot not many people have issues, but it appears that it might be easy to roll? Front rubbing honestly isn't too bad, haven't been able to pinpoint the exact location yet.
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They simply donít fit, the offset on both front and back is too aggressive. Itís easier to buy wheels that fit the car than to make the car fit the wheels. The setup looks good but then youíve got to actually drive it.
I read conflicting results from others with similar sizes and offsets. I definitely think its possible to run these wheels, worst case solution right now is getting different size tires (which I was hoping to avoid).
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You need to upgrade your suspension, the stock suspension is too lofty and allows too much travel. You might also need to roll your rear fenders to get rid of the rubbing, but that should be addressed after suspension.

245/35/19 in front is big and commonly causes issues, 235/35/19 seems to be the safe spot. Difference in sidewall, ~5mm
Are there any springs which are same height as factory but just stiffer? I know they are typically "lowering" springs, but the car really doesn't need a drop, the fitment is already good (a little too good as evidence by this post ). If I could get a stiffer setup it should help with the long travel.

The rear is honestly my primary concern with rubbing; I would say for every 10 times the rear rubs the front will only rub once. So I would prefer to solve the rear fitment issues and then re-evaluate the front. If it might be necessary either way, should I get the rears rolled and see where we're at? Just thinking I could get that done more quickly than altering suspension components.

Additionally, despite not wanting to, I have been keeping my eyes out for any sets of 265/30/19 or 275/30/19 tires to swap onto the rear. I've read that 275/30/19 seems to fit fine, and would prefer that since the 275/30 ratio will offer a bit more sidewall than the 265/30, and large sidewalls are a necessity with the roads out here in LA. Would be willing to go 265/30 if 275/30 doesn't fit, just don't want the sidewalls to be so thin that they look painted on.
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You need to upgrade your suspension, the stock suspension is too lofty and allows too much travel. You might also need to roll your rear fenders to get rid of the rubbing, but that should be addressed after suspension.

245/35/19 in front is big and commonly causes issues, 235/35/19 seems to be the safe spot. Difference in sidewall, ~5mm
Are there any springs which are same height as factory but just stiffer? I know they are typically "lowering" springs, but the car really doesn't need a drop, the fitment is already good (a little too good as evidence by this post ). If I could get a stiffer setup it should help with the long travel.

The rear is honestly my primary concern with rubbing; I would say for every 10 times the rear rubs the front will only rub once. So I would prefer to solve the rear fitment issues and then re-evaluate the front. If it might be necessary either way, should I get the rears rolled and see where we're at? Just thinking I could get that done more quickly than altering suspension components.

Additionally, despite not wanting to, I have been keeping my eyes out for any sets of 265/30/19 or 275/30/19 tires to swap onto the rear. I've read that 275/30/19 seems to fit fine, and would prefer that since the 275/30 ratio will offer a bit more sidewall than the 265/30, and large sidewalls are a necessity with the roads out here in LA. Would be willing to go 265/30 if 275/30 doesn't fit, just don't want the sidewalls to be so thin that they look painted on.
If you go with a 235/35/19 front and either a 265/30/19 or 275/30/19 you shouldn't have rubbing issues at that offset except for maybe huge dips in the road. Then you roll the rear fenders and get even more clearance
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If you go with a 235/35/19 front and either a 265/30/19 or 275/30/19 you shouldn't have rubbing issues at that offset except for maybe huge dips in the road. Then you roll the rear fenders and get even more clearance
What's your opinion on rolling the rears with the 265/35/19's mounted? Would it be worthwhile/alleviate any of the rubbing? The car won't be going on track, so just need something that works well enough for a semi-spirited daily.
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I have the ESR RF1 19x9.5 et22 and 19x10.5 et22... lowered on Eibach Springs, have front M3 control arms ( so more negative camber than stock) and rear adjustable arms also. I have had my rear fenders rolled also. I still rub a bit in the rear on big dips. being that you have offsets higher than mine I think your issue is the shocks traveling to far because they are worn. I would try Bilstein B4s Shocks if i were you. The other obvious issue is that your tires are too tall. I have 235/35/19 & 265/30/19.
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You will rub until you get proper suspension. Especially on that tire setup and with weight in the car, the stock suspension is too soft.

19x8.5+30 235/35-19 and 19x9.5+30 265/30-19 on Bilstien coilovers, Dinan camber plates, BMW spec alignment, no rubbing ever.


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Hi all, just installed a new set of wheels/tires on my E90 335i LCI M-Sport RWD. Found a set of ESR RF2 Forged wheels in matte bronze, specs are as follows:

Front: 19x8.5 et.30
Toyo Proxes 4 Plus 245/35/19

Rear: 19x9.5 et.35
Federal RS Pro R-Compounds 265/35-19

256-35/19 is too tall.
You already have a slight fitment issue with a 256/30-19 with ET35 on an LCI car.
I don't think there is any way to make that rear setup work. The proper rear tire is a 30 series.

For the front, I'm running a 19x9 ET30 with a 265/35-19.
When I had 19x9 ET35 with the same tires it didn't rub.
I was told going to a 255/30-19 on the front of my car would give better clearance since the tire is shorter, even though it's wider.
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Definitely suspension travel is the issue. I had a lot more aggressive of a fitment on my lci and barely rubbed. 19x9.5 et22 on 245-35-19 and 19x11 et22 on 265-30-19. Would rub occasionally on big dips. Suspension setup is custom BC coils, front M3 arms, and all rear arms adjustable. I would probably start with a fender roll first and go from there. I remember on stock suspension I had a set of 18x10.5 et25 that used to rub but a fender roll fixed it
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Wanted to thank everyone for their help on this thread, ended up biting the bullet and grabbing some new tires. Rubbing while driving is now COMPLETELY gone, even on large and high-speed dips with passengers. Setup is now as follows, on stock M-Sport suspension:
F: 19x8.5 et.30, 245/35/19
R: 19x9.5 et.35, 275/30/19

Only remaining issue is that in reverse, I can tell the front tire is barely touching the oil cooler bolt when my wheel is turned. Once that is removed/trimmed, everything should be perfect. Maybe the 265/35/19's did a little fender rolling from the rubbing (lol), but did not need to get them rolled to make this work. Will get the car cleaned up and take some serious pictures of the setup in the near future. Thanks again to all!
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Why would you go with a 245/35-19 instead of a 235/35-19 that everyone recommended?
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Why would you go with a 245/35-19 instead of a 235/35-19 that everyone recommended?
He already had the 245/35's. I'm guessing he just changed the rears from 265/35 to 275/30.
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He already had the 245/35's. I'm guessing he just changed the rears from 265/35 to 275/30.
Exactly as you said, 99% of my issues came from the rears so those were my priority to figure out. Now that everything is sorted with no rubbing, I can do some canyon runs and get a feel for the Toyo's up front. If I like them, I'll keep them until they're worn out and might give the 235/35's a shot with the next set.

If I do some runs and DON'T like how they feel, I'd give myself a week or two before there's a set of Pilot Sport 4S' up front . Had them on a previous car and was a big fan.

Also not jumping to switch from the 245/35's because as I had mentioned, I need as much sidewall as I can get without rubbing. Lost too many tires to LA potholes, so I want to make an effort to prevent that issue in the future.
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