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      09-07-2006, 06:31 PM   #45
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you know wut? I dont really care much for the 335. It's not that I cant buy it, it's that I simply dont like it enough to "upgrade" to it.

Kenny, it's not a surprise, some people prefer the sedan for many reasons, for me, there is not a right/wrong answer, they are both great cars. I just need/want 4 doors now.

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I dont really understand why people upgrade within the same line of cars. For example, going from 2004 acura RSX to 2005 acura RSX (When they had a mini face lift). The rsx is just an example but you get the pt. Its a waste of money unless you are loaded up the butt. I dont care if they take my 330I for 40 or so. Id still have to pay about 5-6K that can be used towards a new car in 4-5 years? Why not just save up the 5-6k, instead of living by the pay check and enjoying your youth too much, only to be boggled down by our shitty healthcare system when your health fails (where I assure you, will wish you had that 6000 dollars for some type of operation). I stretched it a bit, but 6-10 thousand dollars saved now can be the ticket to that M3, new 5 series, etc... I don think its worth the Horsepower/Torque upgrade, esp when everything else is pretty much the same. When you go from a BMW 3 series 2006 to a 3 series 2007, you dont get as excited as you were when you went from some other car (or even the E46) to the E90/E92.

most people want a 3 series for its nimble handling and sportiness. I would never "upgrade" to a 5 if you can even call that an upgrade since it doesnt really come with more stand options than the 330.
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we really need two forums for the coupe/sedan. this thread and others are clear evidence of that.
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What loss, really?

My [as in both "mine" and "model year"] 2006 loaded 330i: $45,800 all-in with discount; T/T/T.

MSRP for MY2007 e90 335i [same colors, same options]: $46,900. SA has agreed to $45,000.

Dealer has offered $40,000 for my 12-month old car, which has 8,600 miles on it and is in perfect shape - not one ding! SA says that the dealership can't get enough cars from BMW NA, that they are buying from other dealers, and are paying premiums for low mileage pre-owned cars that they can put on their lot and sell to the very dollar-conscious who won't buy a new car on general principal.

So: $45,000 - $40,000 = $5,000. Subtract about $1000 for the effective 1-year bumper-to-bumper warranty extension and about $1,200 for tire replacement that will be necessary on my '06 e90 in the next 10-12 months anyway, add in about $300 for taxes on the difference and I am looking at about a $3,000 difference in total.

Considering that I will be doing a small loan [why use cash that I can make 7-9% on when I can get a car loan for 5.9%?] and the difference over four years comes down to $62/month.

So that is $62/month more to drive a brand-new, more powerful 2007 335i, and it is still paid off in just four years...$3K in total or $62/month more for a sub-5 second sedan that still gets 21/30 MPG? Sounds good to me.

I'm loving the creative rationalization on your part. Gee, almost sounds like your MAKING money on the deal and anyone with an ounce of financial sense knows thats I'm just wondering what your rationalization scheme will be when they roll out the M3
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I'm loving the creative rationalization on your part. Gee, almost sounds like your MAKING money on the deal and anyone with an ounce of financial sense knows thats I'm just wondering what your rationalization scheme will be when they roll out the M3
If what he's saying is true, then I see no reason not to upgrade, barring the chance that he can't afford to. $62 a month to get a new MY car with more power? Why not.
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If what he's saying is true, then I see no reason not to upgrade, barring the chance that he can't afford to. $62 a month to get a new MY car with more power? Why not.

What I don't get is his dealer is willing to pay "Top-Dollar" (40K) on used E90's with low miles so that they can sell to "very dollar-conscious who won't buy a new car on general principal" folks for what, $40,500.00?????

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What loss, really?

My [as in both "mine" and "model year"] 2006 loaded 330i: $45,800 all-in with discount; T/T/T.

MSRP for MY2007 e90 335i [same colors, same options]: $46,900. SA has agreed to $45,000.

Dealer has offered $40,000 for my 12-month old car, which has 8,600 miles on it and is in perfect shape - not one ding! SA says that the dealership can't get enough cars from BMW NA, that they are buying from other dealers, and are paying premiums for low mileage pre-owned cars that they can put on their lot and sell to the very dollar-conscious who won't buy a new car on general principal.
say they bought your car for 40k and then marked it up the standard 4k-6k...with the 335 4dr available for 45k nicely equipped, who would buy it?

did you negotiate your trade WITH your new car purchase? if so that would explain it somewhat but this doesn't make much sense to me. people that don't want to buy new cars out of principle tend not to leave logic at the dealership front door.
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I'm loving the creative rationalization on your part. Gee, almost sounds like your MAKING money on the deal and anyone with an ounce of financial sense knows thats I'm just wondering what your rationalization scheme will be when they roll out the M3
No rationalization, I can simply afford it. Though the 3 is my East coast daily driver it is not my only car so I can choose cars for a particular purpose; long-haul comfort, canyon-carving, daily driver, etc. But just because I want a sport sedan as a daily driver doesnít mean I don't want a great driver that is a lot of fun as well.

Bottom line: an extra $3K [or $4K or $5K etc.] doesn't affect my lifestyle in any way, shape, or form. So instead of saving 30% of my gross income this year I will only save 29.995%.

I did think about waiting for the new M3 [and when I see it in real sheet metal maybe I will buy that too] but aesthetics are very important to me and I have never liked the 'M' badges, fabrics, colors, wheels, etc.; just doesnít do it for me. I have always preferred the elegance of the premium sedan much more than the ĎMí. Also, if it holds, a 4.8sec 0-60 and sub 14 sec 1.4 mile with [as reported] and extremely wide torque band will likely be plenty of performance for my daily driver.

So why the 335i now? Well, if they had a more powerful [non-M] 3 when I got my e90 I would have bought that, but now, with the 335i I can basically have both: current M3 performance with premium '3' elegance and aesthetics and I don't care one whit if anyone else agrees with me about the looks of either the e90 of the M3.

Truth is that my current 330i is great but [what is really] significantly more performance with the 335i in the same great car, for only a lousy $3k or $4K more - Hell yes!
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say they bought your car for 40k and then marked it up the standard 4k-6k...with the 335 4dr available for 45k nicely equipped, who would buy it?

did you negotiate your trade WITH your new car purchase? if so that would explain it somewhat but this doesn't make much sense to me. people that don't want to buy new cars out of principle tend not to leave logic at the dealership front door.
"[S]tandard 4k-6k mark-up"? Uhh, yeah.

Try 'them' selling my car for $43K [making $3K] which is still almost $4K less than the still-current 330i with the same equipment [step, PP, SP, CWP, comfort access, parktronic, auto shades, Sirius,CD changer, etc.].

Edmunds shows my car [as equipped] at $43,000 for Certified Used and $38,500 for Private Used - well within the range of the numbers I am talking about.

Like I said, even if itís $1-1.5K or so more, so what? Well worth it to me.
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i guess but it still makes no sense to me why anyone would pay 43k for a used 330 when you can get a new 335 4dr for that price.


and yeah 4-6k is actually pretty standard dealer markup on used cars at this price point. mostly because the previous owners got raped on the trade in.
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Bottom line: an extra $3K [or $4K or $5K etc.] doesn't affect my lifestyle in any way, shape, or form. So instead of saving 30% of my gross income this year I will only save 29.995%.
I've always wanted to meet someone that makes $60 million per year. You must be very grounded to choose a 330.
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i guess but it still makes no sense to me why anyone would pay 43k for a used 330 when you can get a new 335 4dr for that price.
Because they can get a loaded or near loaded 330i instead of a base 335i. Its like asking why somebody would pay 38-39k for a loaded IS250 when they can get a base IS350 for 36k. Some people would rather have an optioned up car.
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It's going to cost this guy $10k to upgrade to a 335i but he thinks it's only going to cost him $3k. Perhaps he's a car salesman?
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i guess but it still makes no sense to me why anyone would pay 43k for a used 330 when you can get a new 335 4dr for that price.

and yeah 4-6k is actually pretty standard dealer markup on used cars at this price point. mostly because the previous owners got raped on the trade in.
The numbers in my first post maybe "best-case" and we all know that what an SA says doesn't matter until it's down on paper but whether it ends up being a $3K, $4K,or $5K difference doesn't really matter.

And for the performance of the 335i there just isn't anything out there better [all-around] for less than $70K and I already have a large $70K Bahn cruiser.

Truth is that the only hesitations I had in buying my e90 last year were power/power band issues which appear to be nicely solved with the 335i [and I couldn't wait any longer then because I didn't want to put another years worth of miles on my e46].
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I've always wanted to meet someone that makes $60 million per year. You must be very grounded to choose a 330.
Uhh yeah; obviously 29.995% was a bit of intentional hyperbole used to make a point.
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It's going to cost this guy $10k to upgrade to a 335i but he thinks it's only going to cost him $3k. Perhaps he's a car salesman?
As I have said, it may be $3K, it maybe $4K, it won't exceed $5K regardless of what [real] numbers one uses.

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Uhh yeah; obviously 29.995% was a bit of intentional hyperbole used to make a point.
Good luck man. I've been tossing around the idea of seeing what they'll give me for my ZHP towards a 335, but I have a feeling I'd have a bitch of a difference to make up...
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Good luck man. I've been tossing around the idea of seeing what they'll give me for my ZHP towards a 335, but I have a feeling I'd have a bitch of a difference to make up...
Well, I guess I don't "know" yet either, not until I see real numbers on paper, but I will let you know, either way, when I do.
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It's called humor [a bit anyway] try it some time...
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No rationalization, I can simply afford it. Though the 3 is my East coast daily driver it is not my only car so I can choose cars for a particular purpose; long-haul comfort, canyon-carving, daily driver, etc. But just because I want a sport sedan as a daily driver doesn’t mean I don't want a great driver that is a lot of fun as well.

Bottom line: an extra $3K [or $4K or $5K etc.] doesn't affect my lifestyle in any way, shape, or form. So instead of saving 30% of my gross income this year I will only save 29.995%.

I did think about waiting for the new M3 [and when I see it in real sheet metal maybe I will buy that too] but aesthetics are very important to me and I have never liked the 'M' badges, fabrics, colors, wheels, etc.; just doesn’t do it for me. I have always preferred the elegance of the premium sedan much more than the ‘M’. Also, if it holds, a 4.8sec 0-60 and sub 14 sec 1.4 mile with [as reported] and extremely wide torque band will likely be plenty of performance for my daily driver.

So why the 335i now? Well, if they had a more powerful [non-M] 3 when I got my e90 I would have bought that, but now, with the 335i I can basically have both: current M3 performance with premium '3' elegance and aesthetics and I don't care one whit if anyone else agrees with me about the looks of either the e90 of the M3.

Truth is that my current 330i is great but [what is really] significantly more performance with the 335i in the same great car, for only a lousy $3k or $4K more - Hell yes!

If you feel you can afford taking the hit then more power to you. You don't have to justify to me or anyone else on here how or why u spend your money.

All I'm saying is it's not a smart financial move. You can tell yourself that losing $5000 or more on your 1 year old 330i at trade in is actually only losinging $3000, but the bottom line is you're taking a loss on the deal. Maybe it's money you feel you can afford to lose, but it's a loss, and that makes it a lousy deal. It's like over paying for your new car. And next year when the M3 rolls out, if you trade your then 1 year old 335i for it you're gonna take another hit. And you will have overpaid again for your M3. If that's ok with you then it's all good, end of discussion.
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It's called humor [a bit anyway] try it some time...

dont quit your day job. lol
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