[stevenopoly]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

I think for some reason you are confusing Fauci with some orange-haired nightmare we all went through.
Re: Congress. Easy answer: Rand Paul, Marjorie Greene, etc. These are Reps looking to win the Herman Cain Award for themselves.
So better to pay attention to the real scientists. Fauci is a renowned scientist, with a long & impressive record of accomplishment.

Keep your eye on the ball; not on the side show.

You've got to be kidding me? Fauci has been lying since day one. He lied to the country right from the get-go about how we shouldn't be wearing masks. Even though he lied because at the time there wasn't enough to go around for 1st responders. It doesn't matter why he lied. He should've told the truth. I doubt anyone in their right mind wouldn't argued. Automatically places mistrust in his words from day one.

His whole career revolves around gain of function and he was trying to get around it with semantics. This guy is trash.

[6oclockshadow]

Originally Posted by Maitre_Absolut

you must not have done well in math

Massachusetts has about a 70% double vaccination rate. Therefore 30% of the population are 2/3 of hospitalizations. You see it now?

And 70% represent 1/3--again, not an insignificant number. So, what's your point?

Mine is: This is not SIMPLY a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Which is how it is being presented to the US public by partisans-here and everywhere.

MA quietly added in that stat (no. of vaxed hospitalizations) about two weeks ago. Most states aren't reporting vaccinated hospitalizations--clearly those not insignificant numbers would freak out the status quo, but I suspect if they did, the numbers would look similar.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Herman Cain died from COVID on July 30th, 2020. He was 75 years old and a cancer survivor, so he had several comorbidities. He wasn't anti-vax; the COVID vaccinations had not yet been released. I'm sure Mr. Cain far out achieved anything you have done in your life.

He was a staunch supporter of no mask mandates and the like. Not hard to figure out where he would stand on vaccines.

This isn't about him nor did I name the award and I thought I made it abundantly clear I don't support any type of mockery. The information these people awarded MIRROR the same rhetoric a lot of others have repeated on these pages. That was my sole point.

If you don't see the same words on these peoples social media pages and how adamant they were that - "man made virus" or "my natural immunity will take care of me" or "god will protect me" are what I'm talking about. If you can't take it upon yourself to read both sides, then you aren't helping yourself let alone anyone else.

If your comment is - "I'm sure X has accomplished more than you" all that shows is ignorance. Childish ignorance at that.

[BMWILUVU]

Originally Posted by shoei

By family you mean Facebook? Because that's just blatant misinformation.

https://www.genomicseducation.hee.nh...ene-therapies/

I see this thread topic attracts you juveniles.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by BMWILUVU

I see this thread topic attracts you juveniles.

I'm a juvenile because someone posted misinformation?

So far we have this morning I haven't accomplished anything in life and now I'm juvenile because someone spread CLEAR and BLATANT misinformation?

Resorting to name calling because I don't agree with the disinformation really shows what exactly on your part?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by shoei

He was a staunch supporter of no mask mandates and the like. Not hard to figure out where he would stand on vaccines.

This isn't about him nor did I name the award and I thought I made it abundantly clear I don't support any type of mockery. The information these people awarded MIRROR the same rhetoric a lot of others have repeated on these pages. That was my sole point.

If you don't see the same words on these peoples social media pages and how adamant they were that - "man made virus" or "my natural immunity will take care of me" or "god will protect me" are what I'm talking about. If you can't take it upon yourself to read both sides, then you aren't helping yourself let alone anyone else.

If your comment is - "I'm sure X has accomplished more than you" all that shows is ignorance. Childish ignorance at that.

Cain was against mask mandates, which is a political position, not a medical position. You have no information that Cain was or would have been anti-vax based on your imagined belief of his position related to medical science. The man died almost 4 months prior to the emergency-use declaration of COVID vaccines in late November 2020.

And by merely bringing up the Herman Cain Award (analogous to the Darwin Award obviously) your are mocking him. Further, your analysis of other people who do not want to get vaccinated without a basis of medical fact, is not congruent with Cain's political position on mask mandates. Being a survivor of stage 4 colon cancer, one can fairly reason he was a supporter of medical science.

His professional achievements and success are clear evidence he was not a dumb ass.


Ignorance... lol.

[stocktree]

Originally Posted by shoei

I'm a juvenile because someone posted misinformation?

So far we have this morning I haven't accomplished anything in life and now I'm juvenile because someone spread CLEAR and BLATANT misinformation?

Resorting to name calling because I don't agree with the disinformation really shows what exactly on your part?

And who are you to judge what is misinformation?
But I'll counter your info. The inventor of the mrna vaccines is telling us to not take the shot.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Cain was against mask mandates, which is a political position, not a medical position. You have no information that Cain was or would have been anti-vax based on your imagined belief of his position related to medical science. The man died almost 4 months prior to the emergency-use declaration of COVID vaccines in late November 2020.

And by merely bringing up the Herman Cain Award (analogous to the Darwin Award obviously) your are mocking him. Further, your analysis of other people who do not want to get vaccinated without a basis of medical fact, is not congruent with Cain's political position on mask mandates. Being a survivor of stage 4 colon cancer, one can fairly reason he was a supporter of medical science.

His professional achievements and success are clear evidence he was not a dumb ass.


Ignorance... lol.

You…. Actually just proved my point.

It's the political aspect of those individuals in their social media postings and along with as you mentioned, Cain's political reasonings. That's the common denominator.

The virus doesn't give a rats ass if you are blue or red. That's the point.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by stocktree

And who are you to judge what is misinformation?
But I'll counter your info. The inventor of the mrna vaccines is telling us to not take the shot.

You just posted an article from the fucking DAILY MAIL. It's a tabloid from the UK. I don't know that I need to state more than that.

It's also been proven LAST YEAR that the man running around claiming to be the father / creator of the mRNA vaccine was doing it for the sole purpose to be relevant.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by shoei

You…. Actually just proved my point.

It's the political aspect of those individuals in their social media postings and along with as you mentioned, Cain's political reasonings. That's the common denominator.

The virus doesn't give a rats ass if you are blue or red. That's the point.

Then why bring into the discussion a dead person who died from the disease to make the point? There are literally tens of thousands of people who succumbed to COVID and followed the protocols. The current White House Administration had an outbreak of COVID. Why not bring up Brent Yonts as a control argument. He was a Democrat, fully vaccinated, got COVID and died.

Stop yapping about ignorance. See ya.

[stocktree]

Originally Posted by shoei

You just posted an article from the fucking DAILY MAIL. It's a tabloid from the UK. I don't know that I need to state more than that.

It's also been proven LAST YEAR that the man running around claiming to be the father / creator of the mRNA vaccine was doing it for the sole purpose to be relevant.

So you found a leftist site to throw the word "claims" in there. And it's automatically debunked, eh? That is why nobody trusts the news.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by stocktree

So you found a leftist site to throw the word "claims" in there. And it's automatically debunked, eh? That is why nobody trusts the news.

So tabloid fodder is okay but any website that discredits your misinformation is leftist?

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrevi...heir-inventor/

This woman sure doesn't look like Robert Malone.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.iri...2%3Fmode%3Damp

[shoei]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Then why bring into the discussion a dead person who died from the disease to make the point? There are literally tens of thousands of people who succumbed to COVID and followed the protocols. The current White House Administration had an outbreak of COVID. Why not bring up Brent Yonts as a control argument. He was a Democrat, fully vaccinated, got COVID and died.

Stop yapping about ignorance. See ya.

You're fixated on driving your narrative. Third time I'm saying it - I didn't name the award. I don't agree with mocking. I can't help that's what the award was named. I've asked that you LOOK at how all their social media posts sound identical and political or religious in nature. Not to mention the same tabloid magazine articles being circulated. This isn't MIB where the tabloid magazine is secretly the real information posted by aliens.

But all you can keep drumming on is - "how dare you use a man on the right as an example" no matter how clearly I've stated otherwise. I can do shit that the award is named after him, but a realistic individual who doesn't just seek out information that comforts his own beliefs would've at least understood that portion instead of twisting the narrative to fit your needs.

[sygazelle]

I began this thread to get peoples' personal views taking or not COVID vaccines, while keeping politics and religion out of it. I knew that would be hard for some people to do.

After over 100 posts, this thread is pretty much off the rails in terms of the no politics policy on the forum, so I'm guessing its days are numbered.

For me, I don't care the right or the left have to say, and I would never make a personal health choice based on political preference. Information and misinformation about this very important topic is being fire-hosed at us to the point that we are drowning.

While I'd rather not have to take any vaccine, the fact is COVID is real and the risks of taking the vaccine are way less than not taking it. My parents felt that way about mumps, measles, polio vaccines, etc. and I'm really glad they did.

After reading all the posts so far, I've learned a lot but nothing I've read has changed my personal position. I'm glad I got vaccinated and I'll be first in line for the booster.

[stocktree]

Originally Posted by sygazelle

I began this thread to get peoples' personal views taking or not COVID vaccines, while keeping politics and religion out of it. I knew that would be hard for some people to do.

After over 100 posts, this thread is pretty much off the rails in terms of the no politics policy on the forum, so I'm guessing its days are numbered.

For me, I don't care the right or the left have to say, and I would never make a personal health choice based on political preference. Information and misinformation about this very important topic is being fire-hosed at us to the point that we are drowning.

While I'd rather not have to take any vaccine, the fact is COVID is real and the risks of taking the vaccine are way less than not taking it. My parents felt that way about mumps, measles, polio vaccines, etc. and I'm really glad they did.

After reading all the posts so far, I've learned a lot but nothing I've read has changed my personal position. I'm glad I got vaccinated and I'll be first in line for the booster.

That's the sad part. This covid has become very political.
And what happened to "my body, my choice"?

[6oclockshadow]

Originally Posted by stocktree

That's the sad part. This covid has become very political.
And what happened to "my body, my choice"?

It was hyper politicized by both factions from day 1.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by shoei

You're fixated on driving your narrative. Third time I'm saying it - I didn't name the award. I don't agree with mocking. I can't help that's what the award was named. I've asked that you LOOK at how all their social media posts sound identical and political or religious in nature. Not to mention the same tabloid magazine articles being circulated. This isn't MIB where the tabloid magazine is secretly the real information posted by aliens.

But all you can keep drumming on is - "how dare you use a man on the right as an example" no matter how clearly I've stated otherwise. I can do shit that the award is named after him, but a realistic individual who doesn't just seek out information that comforts his own beliefs would've at least understood that portion instead of twisting the narrative to fit your needs.

Identical to Cain? Nope. That's my point. If people don't want to get vaccinated that's their right. I don't agree with mandates, in this area, and many others. Masks are said to slow the spread of COVID (per CDC) and vaccines can increase the survival rate if one catches COVID. Neither can prevent death from COVID. Herman Cain probably would have eventually succumbed to COVID based on his health signature. There is no link that proves his political positions caused his death.

So it's a stupid topic.

[XutvJet]

- Social media, religion, and pollical groups are a bane to society. Period.

- Regarding Fauci and other's changes in COVID guidance over time, this is a new virus. Things change, things evolve, and science is ever-changing.

- This is a new and swift moving virus and we in the US are by a majority, are an unhealthy, overweight, and overworked group. We also have huge elderly population, many of which are in poor-quality care facilities. There is no stopping the fact that the virus was going to kill a lot of people very quickly, vaccinated or not. No matter what you do, you're not stopping that train.

- COVID natural immunity is a very real thing and it is a documented fact that those that have recovered from COVID pose no risk to others and that vaccinating someone that has recovered from COVID is basically a waste of vaccine resources and is unneeded risk to the person. Those that have had COVID have a far greater immune response than someone that's only been vaccinated. Anti-bodies in those that have recovered from COVID wane just like those that have been vaccinated BUT there's way more to immunity than just measuring antibodies. Look at T-cells. We're talking years of immunity and/or reinfections that a nothing burger because the body understands how to respond and manage. As they say, "follow the science".

- Breakthrough infections are happening at a far greater rate in the US than most want to believe or know about. Look at the breakthrough and hospitalization data for Israel to get a glimpse of what we've been facing since June. The CDC has no real handle on this because they aren't tracking the data, likely because they don't want the data as it would be used against them in so many ways. When all the dust settles, the frequency in breakthrough infection will be alarming.

- Where will they draw the line with boosters? How are they going to track this? How will this play into vaccine mandates? You can't boost your way out of this. The virus will keep getting craftier and craftier until it gets to everyone.

- The vaccine mandates are a waste of time and money. The Delta variant is burning itself out in the US. Cases, hospitalization, and deaths overall are all declining and fairly rapidly.

- COVID is a disease of those that haven't had COVID.

[rebekahb]

A guy I work with who is fully vaccinated was admitted to the ICU this weekend. Bilateral pneumonia but not needing a vent at this time. Morbidly obese by medical standards.

[ryan stewart]

I dont know about all this malarkey but the covidatemyface on reddit is some interesting reading. Between the complaining about jobs making them get it to the calls for prayer warriors as hardcore anti-vaxxers die its definitely some turnabout, although what is amazing is the number of family/friends that stay in the death cult even after watching someone die miserably.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by 6oclockshadow

It was hyper politicized by both factions from day 1.

No

[kscarrol]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

No

Yes