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07-04-2007, 04:37 PM | #45 |
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All right guys, some updates.
I've been curious by the poll post "ultimate subwoofer installation guide" about using the subwoofer line instead of the rear line. First of all I have to specify to Poll and all of them who are curious that the rear line I chose are the one from the source, and so they are carrying the whole music to the amp. (BTW the radio has a 4x25watts). The subwoofer lines are from the amplifier to the speakers and so are a combination of the front and rear channels. Because of the low signal I was getting to the infinity line I needed to run the amp input sensitivity all the way up, so I decided to give it a shot and try the other set-up. As a matter of fact by using the sub line I am able to get a higher sensitivity, which allows me to run a bit more basses al low volumes; however so far no differnces in the bass itself has been encountered, even if I still have to fully test the set-up and come to a conclusion. Right now if I was to start the installation from the get go, I would go with a bridgeable 4 channel amp into 2 ch driving a DVC (dual voice coil) sub, connected to both front and rear channels of the radio; That would give me a higher input level to the amp, and the best signal quality since it is closer to the source by-passing other components (the OEM amp). Sincerly Max |
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07-05-2007, 11:26 AM | #46 |
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what you did are great. I see here you answered lot of questions but I still want to make sure that I really understood what you did with the power supply for your amplifier, and what the signal lines you got as the input for your amplifier. 1. You got the power from the black box which is controlled remotely by the car electronik, and not from the "+ Socket" of the battery directly. You didn't use a female connector which may cost 15$ you said, how did you plug your amp. power supply (red cable) into the empty slot, the one beside the black connector which is used by the OEM ampl.? Quote:
But you said "The twister pair "blueGreen +, BlueBrown -" is the Rear Right Channel. The twisted pair "YellowRed+,YellowBrown-" is the Rear Left Channel." Aren't they the cables go to the speaders, so it seems to me you taped the the signal from the speaker cables? I am confused. The OEM ampl. (of hifi speaker system, not the pro logic7) is a 6 channel ampl., 4x25w and 2x45w (for the woofers under the front seats). It has 6 cable pairs as output and 4 cable pairs as input. The inputs come from the radio, as you named them source signal with the consideration that has the better quality by bypassing the OEM ampl. Why is this signal to low to your inifity-ampl.? I think it is the preamplified signal from the radio, isn't it? Sorry for my questions, I am considering use a 2x105w Steg amplifier to drive the woofer. If I can not get the line-in signal I would give up the idea. The speaker signal is not too bad? jonywalker |
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10-20-2007, 09:15 AM | #48 |
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1.To connect the power supply cable I used a simple Female connector bought @ WalMart, however the solution I didn't use was to buy a black connector with a female connector included that goes into an empty slot.... I don't have the part number but you could request that at a Bimmer dealer... it would have cost $15. 2.Yes a tap into cables from the radio which are high level... I think I read somewhere it's a 4x15w radio... that's why you need a High to Low level converter or install an amp that has it included, Like mine..... As far as better quality... it's just a consideration I have that the less passes of electronics makes a better quality, so tapping before the OEM amp would have been better!!!! however, because of the power I guess, the signal going to the amp was low to make the sensitivity level gain all the way to up... limiting a bit the output response.... So I am now running the final solution of tapping to the cables going from amp to the subwoofers under the seat.... As to complete the upgrade I changed the subwoofer as mention and Now I am using a beafy Dayton RSS265HO that is fantastic..... http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshow...number=295-462 The final result is extremely satisfying.... |
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10-21-2007, 04:43 AM | #49 |
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Thank you very much wurz154! Now I am klar with my next steps. I would also try to conntect before and after ampl. to see the difference. It is not fine that bmw radio profession doesn't provide a standard preamplifiert signal level as a high/low adatper outputs.
I have already replaced the OEM subwoofers with high valued 20" subwoofers, but with the OEM ampl. it dosn't make any sense. |
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10-30-2007, 07:30 AM | #50 | |
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I ordered the original black connector with the part number: 61136925166 (2-pin) There ist an another connector 61136925176 (1-pin). I just ordered the 2-pin for certainty. I have a question should I just connect the plus, or both the plus and negative? jonywalker |
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10-30-2007, 07:35 AM | #51 | |
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11-12-2007, 05:53 PM | #53 |
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I finished installing the amp for subwoofer, and thanks so much to the forum and thread creater, they really helped me.
Here are my experiences for the accomplishment. I replaced all 10 speakers with aftermarkt high value speakers. To drive the subwoofers I used the hifonics amp 2x100w, which is not very valued but enough. I tryed first to tap the signal from radio to amp, and find out the signal level from radio was far lower than a amp needed, A normal amp needs a sensitivity between 0,2 - 6 volt, but the output signal of the BMW radio professional is much lower. Even worse is that the two minus of phono input of a amp are short-circuited which resulted in creating mono signal in oem amplifier, that means the output of oem amplier is no more stereo. So I have to choose the second solution of using Hi/lo adapter to tap the subwoofer signals. Actually, I didn't tap the signal, but just pulled out the speaker pins from the BMW amp connector, and asigned them to a Helix AAC hi/lo adaptor. My story was I forget to notice the slot location of pins, I had to spend lot of time to make listening test to know which slot belongs to which color of calbe. Here are my results: the 3th and 4th slot from left of the grey connector are for sub left + and then -; the 1th and 2th slot from left of the black connector are for sub right - and then +. If any one by the chance to open the cover in rear trunk could tell me whether I made the right decision. The results of my work: I am not satisfied with the sound quality. Although I get the enough bass, but the frequence lower than 50 Hz is still missing, that is the reason why I don't like to using the signal from oem ampifier, and there is absolutely no need to by a high-end amp for the subwoofers in this way. But I don't have an other choice since I could not find a suitable pre-amp to connect between radio and amp. I have now brilliant tweeter and mid-range sound, but bass, strong but still not good enough. finshed! jonywalker |
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11-13-2007, 05:09 AM | #55 | |
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Could you tell me where to buy the SVEN LOC preprocessor. I put it in google, and found nothing. Thanks! jonywalker |
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11-13-2007, 09:03 AM | #58 | |
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Not only is going to convert the diferential/balanced signal to non-differential, clean the signal and even give you 6 channels output from 4, you will be able to increase the voltage output up to 9.5V... I think that you will be more than satisfied. |
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01-09-2009, 12:50 PM | #61 |
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Just finish installing an after market subwoofer kit. I took signal from the rear speaker to feed the amp, I powered the remote from the cigarette lighter(has +12v when engine is running)Everything seems ok but one...When i increase radios' volume it trip-off. the audio will come back when i'll disconnect the rca jack going to the amp!
Can some one help me here? |
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01-09-2009, 12:56 PM | #62 | |
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01-09-2009, 01:30 PM | #63 |
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First thanks for your quick reply!
The Kit is FUSION - reactor 600 wats (RE-PK 1120), i got it from Halfords. 2 channels input and 2 channels out which is brigable. i bridge my out put to a sinlge speaker 12' which is all set in one box as i got it. I check the polarity of my output which is good... Hope you can help me with this!!! Again thanks tech*** |
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01-09-2009, 02:35 PM | #66 | |
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I don't know what you have available in you country, but something like this can help you: http://www.myradiostore.com/noise-fi...eis-loc-t.html Your problem is that you are inputting a high level signal into your amp low level signal-only inputs. |
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