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      03-03-2016, 04:45 PM   #23
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News flash news flash news flash... VRSF intercoolers ARE China/ebay intercoolers!!!
VRSF are made in China, no one hides that fact. Same for most of the electronics, clothes and other products you use everyday and get charged premium for it

manufacturing country is not important, what matters in the finished product, design and quality control

Get an ebay intercooler, compare it with a VRSF one and you will see obvious differences (use my first post as a reference)
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Mike, I don't know if you stock each common IC, but I think laying them all out next to each other and getting comparing pictures of the key points to look for you made above in those comparison shots would be huge.
We do stock most of them ... I will try to get you pictures
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That ER core looks amazing. I will definitely be buying one of those soon along with a ER charge pipe, then time for MHD.
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Good info. Has anyone compiled logs or have a list of aftermarket FMIC's and how much they lowered temps over stock? I recall someone saying they were going to compile a list, but I don't recall it ever happening.
Unfortunately it is not as easy as some would like it to be

For a fair comparison, intercoolers need to be tested on the same car same mods, preferably same day and same road.

Other factors like ambient temp vs starting temp should be considered as well
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Was gonna purschase a FMIC this week for my 2009 E92 335i..I guess I'll further research and wait what the majority opinion/verdict from this forum topic will be?
Happy to help with any question you have
Start by mentioning your current and future mods + budget
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Took a picture of my ER through my grill. Hope it helps.
ER FMIC is a quality product
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I was literally just about to order vrsf 7" but I am about to reconsider...
The VRSF FMIC is the most popular FMIC

Let me know if i can help make your next FMIC decision easier
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I think the answer is anything is better than stock is enough for 95% of the people. So buy the inexpensive stuff imo. VRSF or Big Tom will do just fine.

I know what you mean but be cautions when saying anything.

Not all intercoolers offer a noticeable upgrade over stock. All proven brand intercoolers do

I have seen some ebay intercoolers with ridiculous core density and finish. .. Highly doubt they will do any better than stock
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I just bought a VRSF 5 inch that should be here on Monday.
Congrats!!
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Currently have N54 Tuning catless dp's and UR cai. Running MHD Stage 1 93 oct. Was about to pull the trigger on the ATM fmic ($737 shipped). Have been thinking about it for months. Upgrading turbos is probably 2 years away for me.

Thoughts? Thanks.
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Iv had 2 intercoolers my first was the active Autowerk sport FMIC the company has a good rep, it has a high density core, the build quality and finish were lovely but man it was terrible at cooling. Typical temps in a WOT pull from 3rd to 5th were 145 -160f so I ditched it in favour of a CX racing FMIC which is a cheap China option with a low density fin pack and seriously in the same ambient temps on the same set up and tune after Multiple WOT pulls my IAT's now never rise above 110F and my WGDC are slightly lower. So how does that work???
I think you either got a defective AA intercooler or something went wrong with the install

A big intercooler with low fin density might lower IAT based on size alone but pressure drop will suffer
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Currently have N54 Tuning catless dp's and UR cai. Running MHD Stage 1 93 oct. Was about to pull the trigger on the ATM fmic ($737 shipped). Have been thinking about it for months. Upgrading turbos is probably 2 years away for me.

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I would go with either

Wagner EVO II Competition
ETS 7"
AA Race
Evolution Racewerks
VRSF 7"

Pros and cons of each can be discussed but i would rather not do so on this thread or i might get in trouble with some manufacturers
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Currently have N54 Tuning catless dp's and UR cai. Running MHD Stage 1 93 oct. Was about to pull the trigger on the ATM fmic ($737 shipped). Have been thinking about it for months. Upgrading turbos is probably 2 years away for me.

Thoughts? Thanks.
Overpriced. Save your $$$ especially if that far away from upgraded turbos.
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VRSF are made in China, no one hides that fact. Same for most of the electronics, clothes and other products you use everyday and get charged premium for it

manufacturing country is not important, what matters in the finished product, design and quality control

Get an ebay intercooler, compare it with a VRSF one and you will see obvious differences (use my first post as a reference)
Currently in the works...
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I would go with either

Wagner EVO II Competition
ETS 7"
AA Race
Evolution Racewerks
VRSF 7"

Pros and cons of each can be discussed but i would rather not do so on this thread or i might get in trouble with some manufacturers
I was initially looking at the ATM but ended up deciding on a Wagner Evo 2 performance. Mine is just a street car and I wanted the extra heat sinkability the extra mass provides. Ended up buying it from you guys during your sale. Smoking deal! Should be here Monday per DHL.

My previous two 335s were AMS, and Helix systems so I look forward to comparing the Wagner to those.
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VRSF are made in China, no one hides that fact. Same for most of the electronics, clothes and other products you use everyday and get charged premium for it

manufacturing country is not important, what matters in the finished product, design and quality control

Get an ebay intercooler, compare it with a VRSF one and you will see obvious differences (use my first post as a reference)
Yeah and those same Chinese made goods that are at the lower end of the price scale in their respective industries are all complete shit too. Every product I have had from VRSF has had poor to horrible fitment and poor to medium build quality.

Most people don't know the difference because they go from stock to VRSF and think hell yeah because they did a mod. But honestly if you compare their products to what a lot of the other vendors are offering it's not even close.

You get what you pay for.
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That ER core looks amazing. I will definitely be buying one of those soon along with a ER charge pipe, then time for MHD.
Good choice.. I think its the best FMIC in terms of quality and efficiency on the market. Close second is the Wagner EVO2.

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VRSF are made in China, no one hides that fact. Same for most of the electronics, clothes and other products you use everyday and get charged premium for it

manufacturing country is not important, what matters in the finished product, design and quality control

Get an ebay intercooler, compare it with a VRSF one and you will see obvious differences (use my first post as a reference)
Yeah and those same Chinese made goods that are at the lower end of the price scale in their respective industries are all complete shit too. Every product I have had from VRSF has had poor to horrible fitment and poor to medium build quality.

Most people don't know the difference because they go from stock to VRSF and think hell yeah because they did a mod. But honestly if you compare their products to what a lot of the other vendors are offering it's not even close.

You get what you pay for.
Well I'd love to see some real hard data comparisons between VRSF and other "top brands". I ran a VRSF intercooler on a different platform and it performed just as well as a "high end Garret" core I had on there before. Most of the stuff I've seen from them has been pretty nice. There have been some fitment issues from what I've heard but so has many other "top" brands such as AR.
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Good choice.. I think its the best FMIC in terms of quality and efficiency on the market. Close second is the Wagner EVO2.

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I was initially looking at the ATM but ended up deciding on a Wagner Evo 2 performance. Mine is just a street car and I wanted the extra heat sinkability the extra mass provides. Ended up buying it from you guys during your sale. Smoking deal! Should be here Monday per DHL.

My previous two 335s were AMS, and Helix systems so I look forward to comparing the Wagner to those.
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Heres some good comparisons...sorry wagner.

Ams reminds me of the Mosselman.
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Heres some good comparisons...sorry wagner.

Ams reminds me of the Mosselman.
The manufacturer of the intercooler made the comparison tests?
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