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      01-27-2023, 03:39 PM   #1
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Would you buy a Z4M (2024)?

2024 is the Z4s final year. Tragically a short life for an underrated amazing handling and looking car (looks like a 8 series from the rear. Proportionately looks like a jag f type, gen v viper, Mercedes sls or amg gt, and even Ferrari 599 or Ferrari California). I had a m235i, had f82 m4 for a few weeks, had a 1 week rental of the m2 comp in another city. And hands down not only track tests (supra/z4 vs m2 comp or f82 m4 etc) prove it's an amazing handler, but even from my experience the z4 stays planted and takes SUDDEN EXTREMELY QUICK jolts to the left or right and turns like a champ and stays planted in ways I think the m2 comp could dream of.

This is due to being as wide as a g80 basically or even a new 5 series, yet it has a shorter length, height, and wheelbase than any bmw and Mercedes and audi, and you sit right in front of the rear axle with basically NO car dragging on behind you unlike say the M3/4/5/6/8 etc, making for true sports car look, proportions, and handling and turn Ins are sharp and pristine. The z4 and supra acoomplish this with just the M adaptive suspension (although I think they're tuned way better than what the m240/340i get). They certainly handle better than the new m240/340 and even m2 comp and stay planted and take corners at way higher speeds (I'm speaking literally from experience), and the looks are just so good none of the oversized grills (m3/4), or weird looks (m240i). Not to mention (but I'm mentioning it now I suppose&#128580, z4 only weighs 3400lbs, (3250lbs curb for the 30i), while the m4 weighs around 4000lbs, and even a m240i weighs 3,900lbs which is INSANE.

SO if you had money to spend and threw "practicality" aside, would.you opt for a 500hp z4m or 500hp m4?

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      01-27-2023, 04:01 PM   #2
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A Zupra is the better car
The suspension is far more complaint without bone jarring you and better handling due to having the roof
BMW , at least modern ones, seem to have the school of thought that stuff means sporty
And you don't need an excessively stuff ride to have great handling
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      01-27-2023, 04:09 PM   #3
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It was a big win for Toyota to offer the coupe variant let alone a 6MT option - hands down I would take that over an M4 for a stripped down, no back seat, sportscar experience. The B58 is a monster of an engine, get it in the lightest possible car.

Only issue is that pattern is full, garage holds a '07 Z4M coupe
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      01-27-2023, 05:22 PM   #4
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It was a big win for Toyota to offer the coupe variant let alone a 6MT option - hands down I would take that over an M4 for a stripped down, no back seat, sportscar experience. The B58 is a monster of an engine, get it in the lightest possible car.

Only issue is that pattern is full, garage holds a '07 Z4M coupe
Uh I forgot the z4 m40i curb weight is 3,400 lbs (1,587kg) and the supra is around 3,250 lbs (1,474kg). The m3/4 weigh around 4,000 lbs (1,814kg) which is a MASSIVE Weight increase. That also makes the new M cars just too large and heavy to be "true" sports cars/track cars. They are sporty and "tracky" but all that needs to fit into a large sedan or large coupe. Ffs the z4s length and height are much smaller than even a e36.
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      01-27-2023, 06:14 PM   #5
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If bmw made a fixed hard top version id consider it
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      01-27-2023, 08:49 PM   #6
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If bmw made a fixed hard top version id consider it
Uhm every other bmw is a hardtop basically. That's why I paid $76k for a z4 roadster when a few k more was a new m4
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Perhaps in 2027 or 2028 when the new car price has lost its value.
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I'd take a Supra over the Z4 but both are very nice.
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      01-27-2023, 10:23 PM   #9
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I'd take a Supra over the Z4 but both are very nice.
Eh they both drive and handle thr same.

The supra gets compliments from car guys and looks cool. But my z4 gets compliments from everyone literally every other day. Plus convertibles are better easier to get in and out than the low roof line sooop rah.

The z4 has a much better interior as well
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As much as I've loved my F8x cars, the E85 Z4M still has a spot in my heart as the best BMWs I've ever owned. I can't explain it, the cars were just perfect to me and I could never get enough of the top down motoring. If BMW remade the E85 Z4M I'd be first in line to get another, I'm just staying away from them now due to age and all the known issues with the S54. I'd get another one, but the thought of paying $30k+ for a 14-16 year old car that could turn into a money pit isn't very appetizing. They'd need to be in the high teens money wise with 60k miles or so to make sense to me, and I doubt that's going to happen. I like the current generation Z4 very much, but I'd opt for a Porsche Boxster GTS instead at this point.

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Eh they both drive and handle thr same.

The supra gets compliments from car guys and looks cool. But my z4 gets compliments from everyone literally every other day. Plus convertibles are better easier to get in and out than the low roof line sooop rah.

The z4 has a much better interior as well
I still think the Supra is the better choice (if it were my money). I don't like convertibles.
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Eh they both drive and handle thr same.

The supra gets compliments from car guys and looks cool. But my z4 gets compliments from everyone literally every other day. Plus convertibles are better easier to get in and out than the low roof line sooop
Your basing is biased. I understand you really love your car but handling the same they do not. When comparing the e85 to the e86 they coined the cassis of the e86 as having supercar rigidity. Having both the e85 and e86 I can tell you from simple fact the convertible WILL have more flex around the corners. Hard top vs convertible also when looking at a track car perspective if your doing more than light otd between the different clubs/tracks they start to not allow stock roll hoops as efficient roll over protection and that’s why you have your coupes. Why cage a car that the top will never come down or has to be off entirely when you have a choice between a coupe or drop top in the same model. Save the vert for street cage the coupe to tear up the track.

I was really considering the MKV Supra and even at the same time in the first year of having my e85 still had my mk3 Supra. But when comparing the e86 to the MKV there’s way more soul in the e86 to me. The head clonking everyone complains about in the Supra is how they cut the line where the e86 doesn’t have the pronounced drop at the window so no head bonking on the e86.

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It has been reported on the G29 forum that the end of production for the current Z4 is 2025, not 2024.
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If this hypothetical Z4 has a stick, I almost certainly would. It need only have the current engine for me to be happy. My 135i needs an update but as of yet haven't found what I wanted to replace it with. Z4 is on the short list, but it's the "no manual" thing killing it. I'm a fan of the Z4's size and weight (meaning, light, in today's terms). I'm sure I'll get over the EPS.
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Eh they both drive and handle thr same.

The supra gets compliments from car guys and looks cool. But my z4 gets compliments from everyone literally every other day. Plus convertibles are better easier to get in and out than the low roof line sooop rah.

The z4 has a much better interior as well
Having driven both and a Zupra owner
They drove very differently
The Z4 is much more jittery, especially on broken pavement
The steering is also vastly different
Somehow Toyota was able to tune the eps rack BMW gave them to have more feel than BMW themselves could
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I agree with statement that coupe is and always will be stiffer that a convertible. No question about it however Z4 is special and much different and superior to most of the convertibles available on the market. Just like Honda S2000 (praised for its driving dynamics) Z4 was developed as a convertible, than a coupe variant followed it. It is exactly the opposite to the most convertibles on the market as such it has pretty damn good driving dynamics compared to a 3 series convertibles that got its roof chopped off and floor reinforced after the fact. Itís completely different car. Starting from looks ending in driviers position, and as a manual very fun. Downside is pretty busy steering. Even though I have ditched run flat tires.
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Somehow Toyota was able to tune the eps rack BMW gave them to have more feel than BMW themselves could
I think it's a simple matter of it being more feel than BMW wanted to. There have been threads with various quotes from various managers saying as much. It isn't that they don't know how to provide feedback tot he driver, but that they didn't want to because their buyers didn't want it.

I want it, and I know others do as well, but it is what it is. Hopefully we get a few more options with it before electric takes them over. New M2 or new Z4?

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Having driven both and a Zupra owner
They drove very differently
The Z4 is much more jittery, especially on broken pavement
The steering is also vastly different
Somehow Toyota was able to tune the eps rack BMW gave them to have more feel than BMW themselves could
I love the Z4 and would take one over a Supra simply because I wanted a convertible as opposed to a 'race car'. The Z4 interior is much nicer too.

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Your basing is biased. I understand you really love your car but handling the same they do not. When comparing the e85 to the e86 they coined the cassis of the e86 as having supercar rigidity. Having both the e85 and e86 I can tell you from simple fact the convertible WILL have more flex around the corners. Hard top vs convertible also when looking at a track car perspective if your doing more than light otd between the different clubs/tracks they start to not allow stock roll hoops as efficient roll over protection and thatís why you have your coupes. Why cage a car that the top will never come down or has to be off entirely when you have a choice between a coupe or drop top in the same model. Save the vert for street cage the coupe to tear up the track.

I was really considering the MKV Supra and even at the same time in the first year of having my e85 still had my mk3 Supra. But when comparing the e86 to the MKV thereís way more soul in the e86 to me. The head clonking everyone complains about in the Supra is how they cut the line where the e86 doesnít have the pronounced drop at the window so no head bonking on the e86.
This may have been a problem Back then but I have friends with mkv supras and we switch cars sometimes to test our cars out. The supra feels like it handles better (is a bit sharper), but at full speed and when pushing it both cars remain planted at the same speeds. Maybe the supra has a 1mph edge in a sharp corner taken at like saying 90mph for example. They perform completely identical. The supra/z4 chassis is just phenomenal its basically better than f series m cars

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I agree with statement that coupe is and always will be stiffer that a convertible. No question about it however Z4 is special and much different and superior to most of the convertibles available on the market. Just like Honda S2000 (praised for its driving dynamics) Z4 was developed as a convertible, than a coupe variant followed it. It is exactly the opposite to the most convertibles on the market as such it has pretty damn good driving dynamics compared to a 3 series convertibles that got its roof chopped off and floor reinforced after the fact. Itís completely different car. Starting from looks ending in driviers position, and as a manual very fun. Downside is pretty busy steering. Even though I have ditched run flat tires.
Exactly. And I'm sure in America at least on the m40i they don't come with runflats.

The thing sits on 19 inch 275s rear 255 front thays basically f82 m4 wheels on a much shorter length height wheelbase car but with the same width as a f82 m4 and very close to the width of a new 5 series. It's phenomenal and I am a track guy and can confirm while the supra may get like lets say 1 minute 20 on a track at my best, the z4 would.get 1 minute 20.3 or something and I'm being conservative. The z4 is 99% as good as supra. The steering feels different but when pushed they stay planted at similar speeds no question and I have experience.pushing these cars to the limit

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Your basing is biased. I understand you really love your car but handling the same they do not. When comparing the e85 to the e86 they coined the cassis of the e86 as having supercar rigidity. Having both the e85 and e86 I can tell you from simple fact the convertible WILL have more flex around the corners. Hard top vs convertible also when looking at a track car perspective if your doing more than light otd between the different clubs/tracks they start to not allow stock roll hoops as efficient roll over protection and thatís why you have your coupes. Why cage a car that the top will never come down or has to be off entirely when you have a choice between a coupe or drop top in the same model. Save the vert for street cage the coupe to tear up the track.

I was really considering the MKV Supra and even at the same time in the first year of having my e85 still had my mk3 Supra. But when comparing the e86 to the MKV thereís way more soul in the e86 to me. The head clonking everyone complains about in the Supra is how they cut the line where the e86 doesnít have the pronounced drop at the window so no head bonking on the e86.
The E85 Z4 M at least has no flex. It feels more rigid than most fixed roof cars and certainly more rigid than most its age. Prefer it to E46 M3.
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The E85 Z4 M at least has no flex. It feels more rigid than most fixed roof cars and certainly more rigid than most its age. Prefer it to E46 M3.
Hereís a thread from the uk based forum 3rd post gives the differences when comparing the z4mr vs z4mc. Yes the z4mr does beat similar competition but coupe still wins. Z4mr 16000nm/Deg vs z4mc 32000nm/Deg
https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88370

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