What is meant as "illegal modification" in HK+ extra police enforcement of speeding

ny911 · 11-03-2010, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnMan

It's funny, I notice those "one sick" minivans like those cross-border Alphard and Elgrand are usually the most aggressive and inconsiderate drivers on the road, yet the police never bother to catch them, but no, they have to target us for "easy kill". Just because those minivans are professional drivers that make a living dosen't mean they can break traffic laws at will. That's selective enforcement and prosecution on the part of the police. That's blatant discrimination!

HK-China cars are always the targets too. A lot of corps hide themselves around SZ Bay/Lok Ma Chau area to catch speeding,tinted windows and illegal lane changings. My driver was stopped once right after entering YL highway from Lok Ma Chau at 1am for the window tints warning. The 2 famous laser gun positions in SZ Bay and 1 in Lok Ma Chau tend to be their gold eggs shops anytime.

ny911 · 11-03-2010, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by little_croco

mod plan and recovering your point level are not strictly related, and they can be happening in parallel...

See how my friends would be going first la and I want to let this case cool down first. 8pts would be coming back in less than 2 months time.

HK is just too small,anyone would know after something abnormal happened.

. I believe there would have more outstanding ones coming up.

JohnMan · 11-03-2010, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ken Ken

no DUI and nothing aggressive.... just sprited driving....

This is such $%$%^, I feel really bad for you. The cops must be on a power-tripping binge. How could a little spirited driving result in suspended license for a year?! That's ridiculous, the punishment does not fit the crime! Hell, lots of people are busted for speeding in HK every year, many of them can get off with points deducted and that's it, unless they really go way above the limit. This sounds really unfair for you. I say consult another lawyer and consider appealing.

css · 11-03-2010, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ken Ken

no DUI and nothing aggressive.... just sprited driving....

what was the clocked speed?

kenken · 11-03-2010, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by oda

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Originally Posted by Ken Ken

no DUI and nothing aggressive.... just sprited driving....

what was the clocked speed?

Erm 158

Ryan_M · 11-03-2010, 09:50 AM

Mate, how many points did u have left before this suspension?

kenken · 11-03-2010, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryan_M

Mate, how many points did u have left before this suspension?

4

JohnMan · 11-03-2010, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ken Ken

Erm 158

Well if it's close to 100mph and you only had 4 points left, then I can understand the 1 year suspension. Still a bit harsh I think, but better luck next time.

css · 11-03-2010, 12:05 PM

158 / what speed?

william_cwl · 11-03-2010, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by oda

158 / what speed?

158 is already 45km above the fastest road in hk...better luck next time!
btw, ken ken i thought i saw your car a couple days ago in SSP, rite?

kenken · 11-03-2010, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by william_cwl

158 is already 45km above the fastest road in hk...better luck next time!
btw, ken ken i thought i saw your car a couple days ago in SSP, rite?

SSP? Shum Shui Po?

kenken · 11-03-2010, 09:22 PM

SSP = Shum Sui Po?

I was 158 / 50….
Main point for posting my experience up was to warn everyone that due to recent events the penalties are very much heavier.
You guys would be more pro then me…. First time suspension is 3 – 6months with fine based on the offence committed. Second time suspension is 1year with fine based on offence committed…..
In our case all of my friends except one is first time but instead of the 3 – 6months we were slapped with 1year and 10k fine…. That is almost us committing a DUI. According to our lawyer yesterday all those that were present was slapped with the same penalty other than those not petty traffic offence.
So really becareful during this period….. I might still drive but short distance from hme to work or work to hme….

JohnMan · 11-03-2010, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken Ken

SSP = Shum Sui Po?

I was 158 / 50….
Main point for posting my experience up was to warn everyone that due to recent events the penalties are very much heavier.
You guys would be more pro then me…. First time suspension is 3 – 6months with fine based on the offence committed. Second time suspension is 1year with fine based on offence committed…..
In our case all of my friends except one is first time but instead of the 3 – 6months we were slapped with 1year and 10k fine…. That is almost us committing a DUI. According to our lawyer yesterday all those that were present was slapped with the same penalty other than those not petty traffic offence.
So really becareful during this period….. I might still drive but short distance from hme to work or work to hme….

I still think you have room for argument on appeal. If penalties are much heavier then normal, you can argue that it's excessively heavy compared to drivers committing the same offence in the past. That means the punishment is not the same for the same offence. That's unfair. Seriously, consult another lawyer.

M_M · 11-03-2010, 10:56 PM

158/50 and you only got your license suspended for a year, what luck!

Ryan_M · 11-03-2010, 11:17 PM

Hmmm, I'm not very familiar with road traffic law, but in general, sentencing is at the discretion of the court but there are sentencing guidelines. I will have a look for u.

Renus · 11-04-2010, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ken Ken

Why don't they just ban performance parts from entering hk and close down all tunning shops if they consider it illegal?
Another way of making money!

Yes, this is what I always mentioned to all my friends, if GOV is not allowed for modification, why GOV still allow importing parts that not from the originally bands???!!!

BimmerJack · 11-04-2010, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Renus

Yes, this is what I always mentioned to all my friends, if GOV is not allowed for modification, why GOV still allow importing parts that not from the originally bands???!!!

For the sake of better economy and more gov income

It's a win-win situation for the gov.

little_croco · 11-04-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Renus

Yes, this is what I always mentioned to all my friends, if GOV is not allowed for modification, why GOV still allow importing parts that not from the originally bands???!!!

They did not disallow, but just each mod done has to be verified with unreasonable turnaround time.

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Originally Posted by BimmerJack

For the sake of better economy and more gov income

It's a win-win situation for the gov.

If it is just one subject as "GOV", it cannot say "win-win" as 2 "win"s need two to share.

css · 11-04-2010, 12:00 PM

158/50...your lucky to get away with only 1 year license suspension, thats 3 times over the limit....

kenysl · 11-04-2010, 12:42 PM

sorry to hear that.....just curious, were u caught on camera or laser?

Bimmer /E93 · 11-04-2010, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kenysl

sorry to hear that.....just curious, were u caught on camera or laser?

I was going to ask a similar question... Do you have a radar detector? Was it on? (What is the brand?) Didn't it detect it or it was too fast to slow down???

Bimmer /E93 · 11-04-2010, 11:54 PM

If I may comment... I think the Government is not doing anything wrong here...
They understand there is niche market for sport cars... They know most of us Mod their car, and they just look the other side...
How many times have we driven next by cups or check points and honestly, my son can tell that these cars are modified and we were never pulled out for that...
The time the police step up is when you go beyond your limit... Racing on the streets of HKG is illegal. Period!! whether you are on a horse or in Buggatti, a Bimmer with all licensed mods or not... Now when you get caught being outlawed, it is very normal for them to start looking into what you have done to your car...
If I am not mistaken, Ken Ken did not get penalized because his car was modified and not certified (or am I wrong??) he got penalized because he was doing a 158 kph on a 50kph limit... Not that in most cases this 50kph is ridiculous.. but this is how it is.. And will have to take it, or ride our bicycles instead....

PS: my son is just 17 months old, so I will be shocked if the cup can't tell that your car is modified...

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Ryan_M First Lieutenant 30 Rep 388 Posts Drives: E70 X5 3.0si / R171 SLK55 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hong Kong iTrader: (0)	Mate, how many points did u have left before this suspension?
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css Lieutenant 25 Rep 425 Posts Drives: Macan S Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: HKG iTrader: (0)	158 / what speed?
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11-03-2010, 09:22 PM	#34
kenken Private First Class 12 Rep 152 Posts Drives: E92 323I Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Hong Kong iTrader: (0)	SSP = Shum Sui Po? I was 158 / 50…. Main point for posting my experience up was to warn everyone that due to recent events the penalties are very much heavier. You guys would be more pro then me…. First time suspension is 3 – 6months with fine based on the offence committed. Second time suspension is 1year with fine based on offence committed….. In our case all of my friends except one is first time but instead of the 3 – 6months we were slapped with 1year and 10k fine…. That is almost us committing a DUI. According to our lawyer yesterday all those that were present was slapped with the same penalty other than those not petty traffic offence. So really becareful during this period….. I might still drive but short distance from hme to work or work to hme…. __________________
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M_M Second Lieutenant 9 Rep 224 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Earth iTrader: (0)	158/50 and you only got your license suspended for a year, what luck!
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Ryan_M First Lieutenant 30 Rep 388 Posts Drives: E70 X5 3.0si / R171 SLK55 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hong Kong iTrader: (0)	Hmmm, I'm not very familiar with road traffic law, but in general, sentencing is at the discretion of the court but there are sentencing guidelines. I will have a look for u.
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css Lieutenant 25 Rep 425 Posts Drives: Macan S Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: HKG iTrader: (0)	158/50...your lucky to get away with only 1 year license suspension, thats 3 times over the limit....
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kenysl New Member 4 Rep 11 Posts Drives: E46 M3 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Hong Kong iTrader: (0)	sorry to hear that.....just curious, were u caught on camera or laser?
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Bimmer /E93 In The Flesh 18 Rep 122 Posts Drives: E93 (Sold), Z4 35i on board Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hong Kong iTrader: (0)	If I may comment... I think the Government is not doing anything wrong here... They understand there is niche market for sport cars... They know most of us Mod their car, and they just look the other side... How many times have we driven next by cups or check points and honestly, my son can tell that these cars are modified and we were never pulled out for that... The time the police step up is when you go beyond your limit... Racing on the streets of HKG is illegal. Period!! whether you are on a horse or in Buggatti, a Bimmer with all licensed mods or not... Now when you get caught being outlawed, it is very normal for them to start looking into what you have done to your car... If I am not mistaken, Ken Ken did not get penalized because his car was modified and not certified (or am I wrong??) he got penalized because he was doing a 158 kph on a 50kph limit... Not that in most cases this 50kph is ridiculous.. but this is how it is.. And will have to take it, or ride our bicycles instead.... PS: my son is just 17 months old, so I will be shocked if the cup can't tell that your car is modified...
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