[631twentyeighteye]

Originally Posted by rick100

why would you need to swap tunes if there is only one tune for your car? ... Even if you take your car to the dealer for warranty work they will not be able to tell you are tune and as far as I know you can not modified AA tune.

I really do not see the need to go from AA tune back to stock other than dealer decided to update your software and reset the tune but that only happens once in a blue moon and most shops would load the tune back for free the first time...

There's been multiple cases of people having the dealer flash their cars resulting in no AA tune. I've switched from the non manifold tune, to the manifold tune, to the off-road tune and in planning on having a custom dyno tune made, and I'm sure I'll need to be able to flash on the updated files over and over.

Overall it's 100% worth it.

Edit: tune loading takes 20 minutes and they recommend attaching a battery tender during the process. I always follow all the steps from the tuner. The original read takes 45-60 minutes and after that flashing has taken me 20 minutes or so each time. I've flashed about 5 times. IMO it's not a wise area to try and save money but to each their own.

Edit2: AA also releases updated tunes here and there. My old off-road tune was out of date and they sent me an updated flash.

[rick100]

Originally Posted by 631twentyeighteye

There's been multiple cases of people having the dealer flash their cars resulting in no AA tune. I've switched from the non manifold tune, to the manifold tune, to the off-road tune and in planning on having a custom dyno tune made, and I'm sure I'll need to be able to flash on the updated files over and over.

Overall it's 100% worth it.

Edit: tune loading takes 20 minutes and they recommend attaching a battery tender during the process. I always follow all the steps from the tuner. The original read takes 45-60 minutes and after that flashing has taken me 20 minutes or so each time. I've flashed about 5 times. IMO it's not a wise area to try and save money but to each their own.

Edit2: AA also releases updated tunes here and there. My old off-road tune was out of date and they sent me an updated flash.

I had no idea AA releases different tunes. I was under the impression they only had stage 2 , stage 3 ( with AA headers) and one more tune for people running 3 stage intake . Never even heard of the off road tune.
I never had the dealer re flash my car then again I never go to the dealer ( been there twice) , I dont see this as something that would happened often unless your car is breaking down all the time .

Changing tunes will also cost you money , I dont think ( correct if i m wrong) AA would send you their tune with manifold for free , there is a fee which may be the same as taking it to an authorize AA dealer . Once you change your tune to manifold you probably never go back to the one without manifold.

I guess it is worth it if you are constantly changing from stock to tune or changing between tunes. Otherwise I m still not 100 % convinced.

I had mine for a year and I never had to mess with it ( knock on wood)

[631twentyeighteye]

Yeah there's the
non DISA stock manifold tune
DISA manifold tune
"Off road" catless header tune(incorporates 3stage if necessary)

*the off-road tune is an additional fee and thus it is typically catered to your specific mods, IE headers and no 3 stage if someone had that setup for some reason.

I'll agree that the simon tool doesn't make sense for someone like yourself who will set it and forgot it. I simply cannot stop fiddling with my toys haha..

Happy New Years to all!

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by 631twentyeighteye

Yeah there's the
non DISA stock manifold tune
DISA manifold tune
"Off road" catless header tune(incorporates 3stage if necessary)

*the off-road tune is an additional fee and thus it is typically catered to your specific mods, IE headers and no 3 stage if someone had that setup for some reason.

I'll agree that the simon tool doesn't make sense for someone like yourself who will set it and forgot it. I simply cannot stop fiddling with my toys haha..

Happy New Years to all!

As far as I know, the DISA and Non DISA tunes are the same.

[hassmaschine]

Tune loading with bdm takes 90 seconds and cost me under $100 for the hardware.

[631twentyeighteye]

I have two separate files for non 3 stage and and 3 stage accordingly.

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by rick100

I had no idea AA releases different tunes. I was under the impression they only had stage 2 , stage 3 ( with AA headers) and one more tune for people running 3 stage intake . Never even heard of the off road tune.
I never had the dealer re flash my car then again I never go to the dealer ( been there twice) , I dont see this as something that would happened often unless your car is breaking down all the time .

Changing tunes will also cost you money , I dont think ( correct if i m wrong) AA would send you their tune with manifold for free , there is a fee which may be the same as taking it to an authorize AA dealer . Once you change your tune to manifold you probably never go back to the one without manifold.

I guess it is worth it if you are constantly changing from stock to tune or changing between tunes. Otherwise I m still not 100 % convinced.

I had mine for a year and I never had to mess with it ( knock on wood)

The tool can also pull a detailed error code report to send to the tuner, if necessary.

Lots of people have their tune over written by a BMW dealership.

[rick100]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

The tool can also pull a detailed error code report to send to the tuner, if necessary.

Lots of people have their tune over written by a BMW dealership.

thats why I avoid the dealer. Unless I need something done under warranty I rather take it to an indy shop. Last time I was at the dealer it was a bunch of kids that probably just graduated from college working on my car while at the indy I get guys that have many years experience working on bmw's. One of the guys that worked on my car has a race N52 car making 350 hp at the wheels all engine ( not turbo or supercharger) and he works on masserattis, porshe etc and his prices are half the dealer's...

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by rick100

thats why I avoid the dealer. Unless I need something done under warranty I rather take it to an indy shop. Last time I was at the dealer it was a bunch of kids that probably just graduated from college working on my car while at the indy I get guys that have many years experience working on bmw's. One of the guys that worked on my car has a race N52 car making 350 hp at the wheels all engine ( not turbo or supercharger) and he works on masserattis, porshe etc and his prices are half the dealer's...

350whp non turbo N52?!

[hassmaschine]

Don't believe it. Not with a 3 liter bottom end and anything less than 8000rpm.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

350whp non turbo N52?!

Uhhh...that should probably be 350hp on the motor (280-30whp) Then again, I saw a DMOD M54 with 350whp in full race trim with ITBs, so it could be the case.

[rick100]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

350whp non turbo N52?!

sorry he may be running lower than that. I think he is at 320 at the wheels right now and is a e90 325

He can not run turbocharge where he is competing so it s all engine. I know there was a thread about his car back when he was doing 280 whp


he also has an older bmw race car , here is feature on his site

http://www.rmpmotors.com/?cat=72

here is another link featuring both cars
http://www.rmpmotors.com/?p=827

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by rick100

sorry he may be running lower than that. I think he is at 320 at the wheels right now and is a e90 325

He can not run turbocharge where he is competing so it s all engine. I know there was a thread about his car back when he was doing 280 whp


he also has an older bmw race car , here is feature on his site

http://www.rmpmotors.com/?cat=72

here is another link featuring both cars
http://www.rmpmotors.com/?p=827

280whp and 350whp are a big difference on an NA straight six.

[rick100]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

280whp and 350whp are a big difference on an NA straight six.

I said he was running 280 whp before (it was somewhere in this forum) , last time I spoke to him he said he was at 320 whp.

I havent seen the official dyno but I ve seen the car life

[e90ben]

Originally Posted by rick100

I said he was running 280 whp before (it was somewhere in this forum) , last time I spoke to him he said he was at 320 whp.

I havent seen the official dyno but I ve seen the car life

280 or 320- That thing sounds amazing!

[TheSt|G]

Here we go again.


And to those people flashing tunes around, be aware that BMWs have a reflash limit before the ECU bricks.

[hassmaschine]

I've gone through the entire MSV70 binary, there is no flash counter. There's a limited number of AIF writes, but unless you're using WinkFP it doesn't matter.

I've been beating myself up going through the MSV70 source code. It hurts my head, hopefully something comes from it!

I don't think any E90 generation DMEs have flash counters, MSS60 & MSS65 for sure do not.
MSS54 had a flash counter, and it wouldn't really brick, you just couldn't write anymore. It's somewhat simple to reset anyway.

[Taskmaster]

I'm not aware of a flash counter, and I doubt I'd ever run into one regardless.

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

Here we go again.


And to those people flashing tunes around, be aware that BMWs have a reflash limit before the ECU bricks.

Not according to your buddy Salman.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

Not according to your buddy Salman.

No? He say BMW did away with that?


Also, "buddy".

I think one should have a least a single conversation with someone before you consider them to be a buddy.

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

No? He say BMW did away with that?


Also, "buddy".

I think one should have a least a single conversation with someone before you consider them to be a buddy.

Salman stated the one in our 128i won't brick, he said "we can flash all day". Mentioned some Porsches have bricking issues, don't remember which one.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

Salman stated the one in our 128i won't brick, he said "we can flash all day". Mentioned some Porsches have bricking issues, don't remember which one.

MSS54 also has a flash limit.