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01-16-2016, 08:05 PM | #1 |
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135i rear brakes on 2011 328i
Pretty sure this was discussed some time back but can't find it, search-fu sucks, sorry for bringing it up again.
It'd be a decent setup with floating lightweight rotors and fixed calipers running XP10 pads, I think. It's the floating rotors I'd like to get changed over to and it doesn't really matter if the e-brake works or not although it won't pass safety inspection without it. I tried to get RacingBrake to come up with a solution for the rear brakes but they passed, for any amount of money apparently. Not seeing any good quality solutions out there but am asking PowerBrake if they can do it or have something they can put together to meet the requirements. If anybody can help with other potential sources that'd be great. TIA.
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01-17-2016, 02:56 AM | #4 |
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I have 135i rear brake calipers. However, calipers will fit on the wheel carrier but 328i discs are 300x20 and you need 336x22 for the calipers. Problem is that 135i discs will not fit on 328i hub. You need 330i discs and 330i hand brakes.
I ended up buying used 335i wheel carriers and half shafts, new wheel bearings, brake shoes and ABS sensors. It was PITA but it works. BTW: I’m using BMW performance rear discs part No. 34216795755
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Yeah I was looking at the BMW performance brakes(basically 135 brakes) yesterday and it said the rears wouldn't fit the 325 or 328, then i started searching for why and apparently it's just because the 330 parking brake is different than the others. So what would you need in order to do the swap?
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01-17-2016, 08:31 AM | #6 |
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135i disc doesn’t fit on 325/328 hub. 135 hub doesn’t fit on 325/328 wheel carrier. For the swap you need 330/335 wheel carrier, hub, hand brake shoes, half shafts, ABS sensors.
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So if I want to find a floating rotor for use with the 135i rear caliper I need one that fits a 330i. Well, that was simple. You da man!
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Will probably change to the RacingBrake floating rotors for the 135i, front and rear, and then change out from Carbotech XP10 to something RB says is acceptable. Since the shop's new ridealong trackday car is a 135i with stock brakes they'll likely swap the few axles of pre-bedded XP10 pads I have for labor costs so it's not that big a loss as I already have the RB front floating rotors.
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01-17-2016, 12:07 PM | #11 |
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I have M3 suspension front and rear with Bilstain B16s. Rear is no problem but front M3 shock is thicker and the bottom part had to be modified on lathe.
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OK, understood. I just verified with the shop that the HVT rear shock will work with the M3 arm, the HVT strut up front is good with the existing stock wheel carriers so no changes there.
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The differences indicate the following part numbers would be needed to change the rear brakes over to 135i/330i rotors - the output shafts would be remfg according to RealOEM ebrake supporting ring (2)..34216771430 D=185mm protection plate, left...........34216792247 protection plate, right.........34216792248 repair kit springs (2)..........34410410825 adjusting screw (2)............34416851437 wheel carrier, left..............33326783667 wheel carrier, right............33326783668 output shaft, left................33207580945 output shaft, right..............33207580946 drive flange hub (2)...........33416783671
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Checked the RacingBrake lightweight two piece rear rotors for the 135i and discovered I'd forgotten they can't use stock pad as the annulus requires 5mm be removed from the inner diameter of the pad. They sell modified or custom made pads, whatever. Not a great solution though.
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I wonder if they make a two piece rotor that doesn't require you to change that stock pad for the 135i. Yeah I definitely wouldn't go that route if I were you. Having to buy custom pads or shave your pads down every time you have to change them would suck |
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The only reason to do this is to get fixed calipers and floating rotors at less cost than a BBK. Of course rear BBK on these cars is kinda pointless but after bumping the engine up and cutting the weight, that's arguable afaic. Having to go with custom pads pretty much kills the deal, that and the 135i rear floating rotors are close to $900 a pair. Don't know of any other two piece rotors but have pinged Powerbrake to see if they have something close.
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FYI, the total cost including calipers and rotors (non BMW Performance) along with all the pesky little parts comes to $3,798.48 at getbmwparts.com as the stock calipers are $461.42 while the BMW Performance calipers are $240. What's up with that?
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Correction
The changeover to e91/e93 rear axle would only allow using a BMW Performance rear rotor for the e91/e93 with the transplanted 135i rear caliper. Can't really use the 135i rotor as-is. Could have Stoptech use the correct offset hat (which they have) and a 135i rotor ring and then fabricate a bracket to radially relocate the 135i caliper. But neither approach is worth the cost.
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For e9x You will need F10 528i rear rotors(two peace floating aluminum hat), grind off F10 lip OR cut/bend/damage the e9x rear dust shield, and some 1-2 mm washers to space the caliper onto rotor.
As per: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=819548 Alternative is to use e46 rear floating CSL rotors and maybe a 5mm washers to center the rotor and caliper with longer bolts As per my compilation thread: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=975919
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