CIC retrofit from CCC

saquibmiah · 01-06-2014, 11:36 AM

hiya guys i just did a cic retrofited on my 2008 m3 e93 before i coded the cic module back to default I wqas able to play dvd. now after I default coded the cic I no longer can play any dvds it says "unknown region". is there anything i need to change in the cic modules.

many thanks in advance
saquib

anielsen71 · 02-15-2014, 06:55 AM

Hi guys
I have done the retrofit of CIC a few months back.
And can only agree. It's really worth the time and money.
I have a question though....Why are you changing build date in VO? Is that to be able to still get a BMW authentic coder on yhre car at the stealership or?
Before someone asks why I want that, I can tell you taht I had the need getting my sealings in the moonroof changed. By that the car needs to know that new sealings are installed for the roof engine to squeeze a bit more on the new sealings.

From what I've heard that should'nt be possible with this retrofit :-(

cn555ic · 02-15-2014, 08:02 AM

Correct. You would not be able to bring it to the dealer as the dealer tools they use requires the car to have oem parts that came with car when it was manufactured...Return the car to the CCC unit and then it would not be a problem. I still have my CCC unit just in case for recalls such as the injectors and faulty fuel pump if the problems ever arise..

S1RC · 02-27-2014, 08:48 PM

First thanks for the informative thread. Lots of great information in here for me as I'm just about to retrofit my 2008 e92 M3 to CIC w/ Combox.

Do I have to remove any VO code for the CCC? Or will adding $6VA do that automatically?

For the Combox, I ordered a PNP cable from BimmerRetrofit to make the connection from my current TCU + MULF. Once that cable is installed do I need to do anything besides adding 6FL + 6NF to the VO?

paprmkr · 03-03-2014, 10:51 PM

i just installed the CIC kit from bimmerretrofit.com' all is good and had the VIM harness which was PnP. i will get the combo box soon from them.
did you change out your idrive, i got the new style and had to change out the center console. no coding needed

dsjr2006 · 03-08-2014, 05:19 AM

Did mine earlier tonight. Had to use Tool32 to change my VIN to recode the CIC after install because the car mine came out of didn't have Logic 7/Top HiFi so I had no sound immediately after install. Also went ahead and disabled the disclaimer and added fuel stop suggestions along with the English UK language option because I like the voice better

cn555ic · 03-08-2014, 06:54 AM

Best mod to bring the car back to life as the old CCC headunit made the car feel old!!!

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Augster · 03-27-2014, 08:31 PM

So I'm embarking on a CIC retrofit to my non-iDrive '08 and I am perplexed at the price differential between brand new (or are they remanufactured) units from BMW parts e-tailers (e.g. GetBMWParts, BMWPartsPros, ECSTuning) which they are selling for a lowest price of $530, versus used eBay units costing $675 to $1,200 (without builtin Sirius tuner).

Since an FSC or hardware emulator is required regardless, is there anything I'm missing on why used units are so much higher and if those are preferred over factory new/refurbed ones?

gazosnic · 03-27-2014, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Augster

So I'm embarking on a CIC retrofit to my non-iDrive '08 and I am perplexed at the price differential between brand new (or are they remanufactured) units from BMW parts e-tailers (e.g. GetBMWParts, BMWPartsPros, ECSTuning) which they are selling for a lowest price of $530, versus used eBay units costing $675 to $1,200 (without builtin Sirius tuner).

Since an FSC or hardware emulator is required regardless, is there anything I'm missing on why used units are so much higher and if those are preferred over factory new/refurbed ones?

I think those are replacement prices assuming core exchange of an existing cic.

Augster · 03-27-2014, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gazosnic

I think those are replacement prices assuming core exchange of an existing cic.

I thought about that, but from all three sources I checked, there is no verbiage indicating an core exchange or charge is required...

gazosnic · 03-27-2014, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Augster

I thought about that, but from all three sources I checked, there is no verbiage indicating an core exchange or charge is required...

call them and report back

Augster · 03-27-2014, 10:51 PM

Do you really need the glove box USB if you already have the 6FL option USB port in the console? Or is this specifically for updating/uploading maps?

UPDATE: After digging through Rheingold, I discovered that the glovebox USB port is used for importing music files onto the internal hard drive, while console USB port is only used for playback of external audio sources.

I'm still trying to figure out a way to pull up LCI wiring schematics for the CIC navigation system but currently my Rheingold install only provides schematics to seemingly a limited, random number of components (I thought ISTA/D was fully integrated into Rheingold and that ISTA/D is the only "offline" access to wiring schematics, since WDS was discontinued after MY2008).

cn555ic · 03-31-2014, 07:05 AM

Ista will not work with retrofit as the cic did not come at factory ordered option

Augster · 03-31-2014, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cn555ic

Ista will not work with retrofit as the cic did not come at factory ordered option

Yes. I was just trying to pull up CIC wiring schematics through Rheingold via a VIN for a 2011 with Nav in order to better understand the differences in wiring requirements for the various components from a CCC system.

I just can't seem to figure out how to do that through Rheingold as I just installed the application recently.

Augster · 04-01-2014, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gazosnic

call them and report back

It was too good to be true: the prices are after a core exchange. The core exchange quoted to me was $500. So either you pony up $1,000+ outright to get a BMW remanufactured unit or look to the used market.

Cbozz · 04-02-2014, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cn555ic

-Mine was #0307 changed to #0909
-Add $6VA also to VO
-Then you Fa-write the VO to CAS and FRM module...
-Default code the CIC module which should show up in NCS after changing the production date.

did you add $609 as well or it worked with just #0909 and $6VA?

cn555ic · 04-02-2014, 07:04 PM

In my particular case for my car all I added to VO was #0909. Read the modules and CIC headunit was present in the module list after change of production date. Then I just default coded the CIC with expertmode and everything worked. I did not need to add any other VO.

F30zoom · 09-17-2014, 02:42 AM

Hi,

I have recently had the CCC to CIC upgrade done and everything works fine accept the "my info" which means I can no longer receive destinations from Google or any other "send to my car" app.

I have a full active BMW assist account but understand that it maybe a database issue as the car originally had the CCC unit fitted. I have read on another US forum that all you need to do is get BMW connected drive dept to move you over onto the CIC database. This is not easy as they refused initially but then asked me to provide all this info from the retro fitted CIC:

ICC-ID

· TCU-ID

· MSISDN

· Serial number for new head unit if different from the ICC-ID

Does anyone know where this info is located? & what software is needed to extract it? Its all rather strange as all the other assist functions work fine including email

Any help would be gratefully appreciated

Thanks

db2761 · 09-17-2014, 08:26 AM

I'm pretty sure you need to finish coding the CIC to make it aware of your TCU. Pull your trace file for the CIC and send it to me and I'll see if I can sort it for you.

I'll pm my email addy..

Dan

BeastMode335i · 10-10-2014, 02:54 PM

So it sounds like this retro is pretty much one of the best stock upgrades you can do. I did notice someone mentioned something that kind of makes me curious though. If I do this mod, and I ever want to take my car to the dealership for a recall or something, I have to put the CCC unit back in?

Thanks!

PichaDis11 · 10-12-2014, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeastMode335i

So it sounds like this retro is pretty much one of the best stock upgrades you can do. I did notice someone mentioned something that kind of makes me curious though. If I do this mod, and I ever want to take my car to the dealership for a recall or something, I have to put the CCC unit back in?

Thanks!

Yes.

dazz100 · 08-31-2015, 11:40 PM

Hello
I am looking at a CCC to CIC upgrade.

If you have a unit with other than the desirable V42 firmware, is it possible to upgrade or downgrade to get to V42?

Is it necessary to use ICOM or is it practical to use a DCAN adapter?
How long does it take to complete a firmware upgrade?

If you buy a BMW reconditioned/new unit, what version of firmware would be on it now (August 2015)?

01-06-2014, 11:36 AM	#67
saquibmiah New Member 0 Rep 16 Posts Drives: e90 Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: london iTrader: (0)	hiya guys i just did a cic retrofited on my 2008 m3 e93 before i coded the cic module back to default I wqas able to play dvd. now after I default coded the cic I no longer can play any dvds it says "unknown region". is there anything i need to change in the cic modules. many thanks in advance saquib
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02-15-2014, 06:55 AM	#68
anielsen71 Lieutenant Colonel 559 Rep 1,502 Posts Drives: F36 435xd Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Behind the wheel iTrader: (0) Garage List 2015 BMW F36 435d [8.00]	Hi guys I have done the retrofit of CIC a few months back. And can only agree. It's really worth the time and money. I have a question though....Why are you changing build date in VO? Is that to be able to still get a BMW authentic coder on yhre car at the stealership or? Before someone asks why I want that, I can tell you taht I had the need getting my sealings in the moonroof changed. By that the car needs to know that new sealings are installed for the roof engine to squeeze a bit more on the new sealings. From what I've heard that should'nt be possible with this retrofit :-( __________________ Brgds Allan ‘15 F36 435xd Gran Coupé Ex: E46 330d, E91 330dA
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cn555ic 441 Rep 18,331 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: US iTrader: (6)	Correct. You would not be able to bring it to the dealer as the dealer tools they use requires the car to have oem parts that came with car when it was manufactured...Return the car to the CCC unit and then it would not be a problem. I still have my CCC unit just in case for recalls such as the injectors and faulty fuel pump if the problems ever arise..
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02-27-2014, 08:48 PM	#70
S1RC Enlisted Member 9 Rep 39 Posts Drives: 2008 M3 Coupe Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	First thanks for the informative thread. Lots of great information in here for me as I'm just about to retrofit my 2008 e92 M3 to CIC w/ Combox. Do I have to remove any VO code for the CCC? Or will adding $6VA do that automatically? For the Combox, I ordered a PNP cable from BimmerRetrofit to make the connection from my current TCU + MULF. Once that cable is installed do I need to do anything besides adding 6FL + 6NF to the VO?
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03-03-2014, 10:51 PM	#71
paprmkr BMW Enthusiast 119 Rep 280 Posts Drives: 2024 i5 M60 w/M-Performance ki Join Date: May 2013 Location: Oxnard, Ca. iTrader: (2)	i just installed the CIC kit from bimmerretrofit.com' all is good and had the VIM harness which was PnP. i will get the combo box soon from them. did you change out your idrive, i got the new style and had to change out the center console. no coding needed
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03-08-2014, 05:19 AM	#72
dsjr2006 Captain 157 Rep 848 Posts Drives: '01 E39 540iA, '09 E90 M3 Join Date: May 2013 Location: Metro Detroit iTrader: (1) Garage List 2010 BMW 335i [0.00] 2001 BMW 540i [0.00]	Did mine earlier tonight. Had to use Tool32 to change my VIN to recode the CIC after install because the car mine came out of didn't have Logic 7/Top HiFi so I had no sound immediately after install. Also went ahead and disabled the disclaimer and added fuel stop suggestions along with the English UK language option because I like the voice better __________________ E90 M3 DCT LCI \| E90 LCI N54 M-Sport(retired) \| E90 Technical Docs download: http://j.mp/bmwe90docs *good read, very detailed.
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cn555ic 441 Rep 18,331 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: US iTrader: (6)	Best mod to bring the car back to life as the old CCC headunit made the car feel old!!! .
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03-27-2014, 08:31 PM	#74
Augster Master Gunner 77 Rep 435 Posts Drives: 2008 335i Sport Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Sandy Eggo iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 BMW 335i [10.00] 1994 General Dynami ... [6.00]	So I'm embarking on a CIC retrofit to my non-iDrive '08 and I am perplexed at the price differential between brand new (or are they remanufactured) units from BMW parts e-tailers (e.g. GetBMWParts, BMWPartsPros, ECSTuning) which they are selling for a lowest price of $530, versus used eBay units costing $675 to $1,200 (without builtin Sirius tuner). Since an FSC or hardware emulator is required regardless, is there anything I'm missing on why used units are so much higher and if those are preferred over factory new/refurbed ones? __________________ 2008 335i Alpine White Sport Sedan AT \| Avant Garde M364 Staggered 19" Last edited by Augster; 03-27-2014 at 08:40 PM..
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Augster Master Gunner 77 Rep 435 Posts Drives: 2008 335i Sport Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Sandy Eggo iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 BMW 335i [10.00] 1994 General Dynami ... [6.00]	Do you really need the glove box USB if you already have the 6FL option USB port in the console? Or is this specifically for updating/uploading maps? UPDATE: After digging through Rheingold, I discovered that the glovebox USB port is used for importing music files onto the internal hard drive, while console USB port is only used for playback of external audio sources. I'm still trying to figure out a way to pull up LCI wiring schematics for the CIC navigation system but currently my Rheingold install only provides schematics to seemingly a limited, random number of components (I thought ISTA/D was fully integrated into Rheingold and that ISTA/D is the only "offline" access to wiring schematics, since WDS was discontinued after MY2008). __________________ 2008 335i Alpine White Sport Sedan AT \| Avant Garde M364 Staggered 19" Last edited by Augster; 03-28-2014 at 01:49 PM..
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03-31-2014, 07:05 AM	#79
cn555ic 441 Rep 18,331 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: US iTrader: (6)	Ista will not work with retrofit as the cic did not come at factory ordered option
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04-02-2014, 07:04 PM	#83
cn555ic 441 Rep 18,331 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: US iTrader: (6)	In my particular case for my car all I added to VO was #0909. Read the modules and CIC headunit was present in the module list after change of production date. Then I just default coded the CIC with expertmode and everything worked. I did not need to add any other VO.
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09-17-2014, 02:42 AM	#84
F30zoom Private 5 Rep 54 Posts Drives: F34 330d xdrive Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Essex iTrader: (0)	Help pls with getting info from CIC unit Hi, I have recently had the CCC to CIC upgrade done and everything works fine accept the "my info" which means I can no longer receive destinations from Google or any other "send to my car" app. I have a full active BMW assist account but understand that it maybe a database issue as the car originally had the CCC unit fitted. I have read on another US forum that all you need to do is get BMW connected drive dept to move you over onto the CIC database. This is not easy as they refused initially but then asked me to provide all this info from the retro fitted CIC: ICC-ID · TCU-ID · MSISDN · Serial number for new head unit if different from the ICC-ID Does anyone know where this info is located? & what software is needed to extract it? Its all rather strange as all the other assist functions work fine including email Any help would be gratefully appreciated Thanks
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09-17-2014, 08:26 AM	#85
db2761 Banned 41 Rep 158 Posts Drives: 08 335i Join Date: May 2010 Location: TEXAS iTrader: (6)	I'm pretty sure you need to finish coding the CIC to make it aware of your TCU. Pull your trace file for the CIC and send it to me and I'll see if I can sort it for you. I'll pm my email addy.. Dan
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10-10-2014, 02:54 PM	#86
BeastMode335i Maximus Decimus Meridius 1130 Rep 4,584 Posts Drives: F30 335i Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Down South iTrader: (2)	So it sounds like this retro is pretty much one of the best stock upgrades you can do. I did notice someone mentioned something that kind of makes me curious though. If I do this mod, and I ever want to take my car to the dealership for a recall or something, I have to put the CCC unit back in? Thanks!
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08-31-2015, 11:40 PM	#88
dazz100 Enlisted Member 8 Rep 32 Posts Drives: BMW 325i E90 2008 Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: New Zealand iTrader: (0)	Hello I am looking at a CCC to CIC upgrade. If you have a unit with other than the desirable V42 firmware, is it possible to upgrade or downgrade to get to V42? Is it necessary to use ICOM or is it practical to use a DCAN adapter? How long does it take to complete a firmware upgrade? If you buy a BMW reconditioned/new unit, what version of firmware would be on it now (August 2015)?
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