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      09-24-2013, 01:16 PM   #23
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On my dash/idrive it looks like it is only connecting via AUX (headphone plug) and not the USB part of it like the video above shows.
At least the iDrive should show the iPod screen.

I have the same WMA1000 adapter and I tested it in my Combox-equipped iDrive and the iPod screen shows up like the iPhone was connected directly to the USB port.

I did the same in a VW CC and the iPod screen also shows in the Nav like having the iPhone plugged in the USB.

I would suggest deleting the pairing at the iPhone and re-establishing a new one.
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      09-24-2013, 02:27 PM   #24
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Ok i will try that cause it does not show anything like what you said above. I swear nothing in my life goes as it should lol... So many little things like this just keep happening. SMH...
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      09-24-2013, 11:21 PM   #25
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Do you have the USB option at all? Can you borrow an iPod or older iPhone to test if the details and controls work when connected physically?
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      09-25-2013, 03:12 AM   #26
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Hi,

My '11 335is didn't come with the combox (i bought mine few months too soon) but does have Bluetooth for phone. I've seen and used other dongles/adapters but they didn't work. This solution is actually for cars and their factory iPod integration. I have the iPod 6FL and the Y-Cable that has always worked when physically connected (using the lightning to 30pin adapter for the iPhone 5), including Pandora streaming. The Tune2air does everything that a physically connected iPhone/iPod does except over Bluetooth similarly to the vehicles with the combox. The dongle even sounds good over Bluetooth. I've seen others talk about the Blackberry media gateway and having to control the function from the phone. This device allows you to use the steering wheel controls or radio/idrive control to scroll through your iPod list or songs, and display Artist/track/song title all without taking you iPhone/iPod out of your pocket. When a phone calls comes through, the audio gets muted just like it does when it is connected to the Y-Cable. I'm going to try make a video and post it later this weekend.
I have the following options on my June 2010 build 335i
6FLA USB/audio interface,
6NFA Music interface for smartphone,
644A Preparation for mobile phone with Bluetooth.

Do you have the same options? & once you connect the Tune2air do the iPhone phone functions operate through the Tune2air or do the phone functions still operate through the OEM Bluetooth with only the music functions going through the Tune2air?
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      09-25-2013, 11:23 AM   #27
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Hi,

I do not have the 6NF (smartphone adapter) but I do have the 6FL and Bluetooth for Phone calls. The phone function still uses the BMW solution and the music uses the Tune2air through the factory y cable. If you have the USB and aux jack in the center console and the y cable and can hook up an iPod/iPhone, then it should work with the tune2air.
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      09-25-2013, 10:03 PM   #28
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Thanks for this one, I am really liking it especially with iTunes radio it works amazing...I am really satisfied with this product.
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      09-28-2013, 11:37 AM   #29
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I just got mine yesterday for early 2010 build 335D. Amazing product. The dealer would probably be able to sell this functionality as oh maybe a $700 option - this little tune2air makes my car like a MODERN car with wireless streaming audio (BMW was so slow to the party on streaming bluetooth audio). I'm amazed it worked. Going to get one for my wife's Mini which has the same "y cable enhanced iPod" functionality.

If you're hooking up your iphone with a y cable, this is for you.

And of course, a seamless transition for the iphone 5 too... so I can use my $30 apple adapter on some other docking device.
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      09-30-2013, 11:32 AM   #30
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so do we know if this works with.... lets say a samsung gs4?

meaning showing track info on cic/ccc

EDIT: i bought it and will try it out...i am sure that itll stream just fine and even allow steering controls to work....i am unsure that the track info will show... i wont keep it if it doesnt...but well see... ill update once i get it
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Works great!

Add me to those who are extremely satisfied with this solution! Only $100 and I can stream my music and pandora from my iPhone 5 while it stays in my pocket.

I love this forum!
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      10-01-2013, 12:50 PM   #32
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You guys think this small smart nice device will work for European spec 2009 LCI bmw as well with Porlogic7 and no bluetooth combox?
Any thoughts fellas?
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      10-01-2013, 01:20 PM   #33
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Any thoughts fellas?
You need 6FL.
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This is G-D fantastic! EXACTLY what I wanted to build but tabled when I couldn't get a favorable codec license agreement!

ordering, like, RIGHT now.
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Just want to share.
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Can you at all confirm that this doesn't totally mess up bass or make sharp clean highs sound ultra-compressed like most BT solutions do? Almost nobody is willing to pony up and pay ~$1/unit for AAC decoding, but SBC sounds like shit. For $100 there's a really good possibility they have, but I can find no mention of it whatsoever.
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hey everyone is the quality better or equal compared to just playing straight from a USB flash drive as digital content?
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hey everyone is the quality better or equal compared to just playing straight from a USB flash drive as digital content?
Bluetooth Audio has lower audio quality than USB by design.

You may or may not notice the difference depending on how compressed is your music.
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Bluetooth Audio has lower audio quality than USB by design.

You may or may not notice the difference depending on how compressed is your music.
i see. we just picked a up 2013 Altima love the bluetooth streaming, especially with steering wheel control.
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Bluetooth Audio has lower audio quality than USB by design.

You may or may not notice the difference depending on how compressed is your music.
That's somewhat misleading but likely true in practice. Playing with a USB drive plugged in, the sort of quality bottleneck is the compression you're using. Low bit rate MP3 will be worse than high, or VBR, or most AAC, etc.

Bluetooth sounds crappy because the only codec required by the A2DP standard is SBC, which is just awful quality/bitrate. You CAN use AAC (assuming source and sync both support it), shifting the bottleneck to the compression of the file itself (not really, but you're somewhere around matching the file compression quality in most cases.)

The problem is, SBC comes for free rather than $15k up front plus a dollar per unit like AAC, so very very few devices implement AAC.
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USB supports Lossless (new NBT iDrive support Lossless via USB). Bluetooth Audio does not.

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That's somewhat misleading but likely true in practice. Playing with a USB drive plugged in, the sort of quality bottleneck is the compression you're using. Low bit rate MP3 will be worse than high, or VBR, or most AAC, etc.

Bluetooth sounds crappy because the only codec required by the A2DP standard is SBC, which is just awful quality/bitrate. You CAN use AAC (assuming source and sync both support it), shifting the bottleneck to the compression of the file itself (not really, but you're somewhere around matching the file compression quality in most cases.)

The problem is, SBC comes for free rather than $15k up front plus a dollar per unit like AAC, so very very few devices implement AAC.
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USB supports Lossless (new NBT iDrive support Lossless via USB). Bluetooth Audio does not.
My point is, USB doesn't impose a bottleneck where Bluetooth necessarily does (though how quality-degrading depends on implementation), but the best case over Bluetooth is on par with typical case USB.

Also, does 6FL support any lossless codecs? I'm not aware that it does. I'm sure the USB audio profile used in a combox context doesn't care if your iPhone has lossless files on it since it's a different OSI layer entirely.
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My point is, USB doesn't impose a bottleneck where Bluetooth necessarily does (though how quality-degrading depends on implementation), but the best case over Bluetooth is on par with typical case USB.
That's what I originally said, so I do not know where the "misleading" came coming from.

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Also, does 6FL support any lossless codecs? I'm not aware that it does. I'm sure the USB audio profile used in a combox context doesn't care if your iPhone has lossless files on it since it's a different OSI layer entirely.
The NBT iDrive example was to illustrate the extreme audio quality difference as its Combox is built-in (it is not a MULF/6FL, it is 6NS). But again, your compressed music will detetermine how much audio quality difference -if any- there will be between BT Audio and USB.
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I think it is a fair bet that the Tune2Air is at the low bitrate. Their website is sparse, and if it was able to transmit AAC I would guess they would trumpet the fact.

Nevertheless, it works - I wonder what is the typical car bluetooth spec? Do most of the cars these days spend for the higher bitrate BT transmission?

Product is a champ for $100 no matter how you slice it.
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Product is a champ for $100 no matter how you slice it.
I was really impressed when it worked and sounded great in a VW CC. It is really like having the iPhone plugged into the MDI (iPod adapter/6FL in VW-speak) USB port.

For sure it sounds much better than Satellite Radio.
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