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04-15-2018, 01:26 PM | #1 |
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OEM like Turbo Options
I think my OEM turbos are on the way out. I keep getting smoke on cold start where engine idles below 1000 rpm. It goes away after a little driving. No water in the oil. It's not blue smoke. If I had to guess it's blown seal in the rear turbo. I see a little oil on my DP's. VCG has been replaced.
Anyway looking for a cost effective alternative to the OEM's Are there any options in the $1000-$1500 range. What's the typical cost to install? The only options that I have found are: turbolabamerica Option: http://turbolabofamerica.com/bmw-335...grade-options/ $1050 RB Option http://www.rbturbo.com/products/335i/335i $999 RB Option Two http://www.rbturbo.com/products/335i/335i VTT Option http://performance.vargasturbo.com/bmw-products/n54/ ECS OE Turbo Option: https://www.ecstuning.com/b-mitsubis...1657649289~va/ $709 each doesn't say if this is the front or the rear. So $1418 for the pair. FCPEuroOE Turbo Option: https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...hi-11657649290 $849 for the rear you still need the front https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/clo...nt-11657593015 front turbo is $819 so $1660 for both. These are the mitsubishi the OEM's are quite a bit more. Are there another options?My intentions would be to add inlets/outlets and stg2 LPFP on e40. I believe I already have the other supporting mods: FMIC,DP's,CP,DCI, new plugs, coils walnut blasting, upgraded PCV. I'm assuming at this point I'd be maxing out the auto trans, fuel system and turbo's efficiency.
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04-15-2018, 07:50 PM | #3 |
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You could always get the Mitsubishi branded BMW turbos from a vendor, like FCP Euro and have lifetime warranty. Plus, the stock turbos usually last longer than any rebuilt turbo.
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04-15-2018, 10:45 PM | #4 |
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If you have a low budget buy new oem turbos. Any aftermarket you buy will be a gamble if your after longevity and it'll cost you more in the end if you have to pay labor twice. Always think about labor when it comes to turbos because the labor isn't cheap. If you do it yourself and can handle replacing them if they break go aftermarket.
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04-16-2018, 03:59 AM | #5 |
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That price range are all diys. I'm looking for something similar, I'm liking the RB stage 1 upgrade. Turbolab is very questionable about balancing, all that work done is useless if it's not balanced, the other hand, there upgrade would be a first option for the money.
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This. You cannot go wrong with a lifetime warranty. Its a no brainer if 400whp is enough.
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04-16-2018, 05:48 AM | #7 |
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White smoke on cold start that goes away when warm sounds more like injectors than turbo. Let the car sit overnight, pull plugs in morning. If you see a wet plug, it's the injector.
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04-16-2018, 06:12 AM | #8 |
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Like meatos mentioned this vtt seeme to be a good OEM option w upgraded waste gates. Not sure why dont hear much of it,
http://performance.vargasturbo.com/bmw-products/n54/
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I also on the same boat, turbos will need replacing soon. I was considering the RB oem billets with upgraded wastegates option, Just a hair bit better than stocks
Or just going all out on some mmp turbos just not running them as hard to prolong life. |
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WE DO NOT OFFER ADAPTERS TO FIT STOCK, MISHIMOTO, DINAN, HPF, PHOENIX, OR ANY INTERCOOLER WITH THE CLIP STYLE INLET This rules me out as I have a CLIP style inlet. What's the typical cost at an INDY to replace OEM turbo's? I know my local INDY shop charges $95 an hour. How many hours does this involve. I think for DP's they wanted to charge me 8hrs labor and this seems a bit more involved. The advantage of going with the Pures, VTT and RB's are they seem very skilled and know there stuff and they seem to be very involved in the forums so the customer service is there. Your also going to get a better quality product. If I had more $ I'd go with a ST option but I dont and my goals would be to max out fuel system with a stage 2 LPFP, inlets, outlets, FBO. I'm guessing with an E40-E60 mix you would be around the 500rwp+ with a stage 1 turbo upgrade. A guy at our club just put down 468rwp with inlets, outlets FBO, STG2 LPFP on E50 on stock turbos.
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I'm in the exact same boat. None of the aftermarket guys are giving me much confidence. At the end of the day, my car is worth about $10grand, putting 5k into turbos and then another 2-3 for a new clutch seems crazy.. I'm at 94k miles and know my turbos are on their last leg.
I don't know why it didn't hit me before but OEM through FCPEuro now seems like a no brainer with that warrenty, has anyone had success getting them replaced through FCP? I want to but my wallet doesnt want to continue down the path to more power (LSD, Fuel,etc). I'm FBO and the car is plenty powerful (did I just say that?!?!) I'm planning to hang onto these turbos till they die and hopefully by then will have purchased a new wrangler as a DD (I'm about a year out). Then I'll put my car up on jacks and tackle the turbos and clutch at the same time in my garage. I've watched countless videos and there doesn't seem to be anything too complicated aside from frozen bolts and tight quarters. |
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Do you have problem with wg rattle or has they been changed under warranty? Otherwise only changing the CHRA is a good option and you save alot of money.
I changed my turbos with turbos from an 1M car from 2012 that was 2600miles old with zero play, cost me just 350 dollar, one of the turbos was just to bolt on, on the other one i had to swap the CHRA over from 1M manifold to my old manifold because it did not fit. WG and angle of turbo was different, dont remember if it was the front or rear. But it is very easy to only change the core over if you buy some new, my car have the newer wg that was changed under warranty because of the rattle. As far as i know the rattle was corrected on later year turbos, my e92 is from 07. The 1M turbos from 2012 has better wg from factory and i have zero rattle from either the old or the newer http://performance.vargasturbo.com/bmw-products/n54/ Otherwise if you just want stock turbos then new mitsu turbos would be my suggestion https://www.ecstuning.com/b-mitsubis...1657649289~va/ Last edited by Meatos; 04-16-2018 at 01:20 PM.. |
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Thanks for the links keep them coming I've updated the original thread.
I have a little WG rattle on startup only. Could be flapper or WG haven't really looked into it. But I do have a little bit of play on my WG actuator arm. I dont have F330 codes. But I have a 130K miles on mine original OEM's. Not only that, I recently started seeing a little oil on my DP's. I'm just doing some research as I know this is right around the corner. We each have our own goals. If you want reliability I guess FCP Euro would be the way to go. But are you going to keep your car for ever? I probably have $1500 in receipts so far from FCP Euro not sure if I'll ever have to send anything back yet. Probably my plugs, brakes, rotors maybe a few other items. Havent yet though but It's good insurance for sure. So the FCP Euro is not for me in this particular case. I guess my situation is a little different I'm cheap by nature and always looking for a "good deal" sometimes I get burned like buying my current car lol but most of the times I come out on top. Research is key but not always guaranteed and there is always an inherent risk when modding. For example I've been perfectly happy with my ARM FBO kit. Fitment was spot on and I feel like I saved hundreds over VSRF. Dyno proof coming next week so I hope its on par with the other FBO options currently on the market. I probably wont keep my car for more than a year or two I just like swap cars out. What I am looking to do is maximize the full potential of what the car can take with out going over bored. I have no intention of swapping out my AUTO or putting an LSD etc... What I do want to do and I think it's what a lot of people on this thread would like to do is make the most of what the car can do with OEM turbo's and a Stage 2 LPFP. So if I need turbo's I will want to take the lease expensive route and make sure I make the most of it. I dont really want to get replacement turbo's but I might have too if my smoke issue gets any worse. I'd rather spend the money on Stage 2 LPFP and get inlets / outles. But now this may take a back seat. I live an hour from ATLANTA Road Way and about an hour or so from the drag strip. I'd really like to run an 11 or very low 12 sec at the drag track so the most power I can make on pump gas and ethanol to achieve my goals is what I'm after and no I wont be running meth or NO2 I'd really like to see Dyno on FBO car's with STAGE 1 upgraded turbo's. I will have to take a second look. I think this would make it easy for me to decide but haven't seen this yet. I think vtt states 525rwp but I'm assuming this along with RBB and TurboLab's these numbers are only achievable with full FBO / inlets / outlets and emix. This is important to note because if you expect to hit 500rwp with out all this other stuff then your been misinformed. I feel like I'm 3/4 of the way there with the current mods I have.
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That's an interesting idea to replace that part. could I also replace the WG at the same time? |
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Havent heard of any problems with the actuators so they can be reused Totally duable if you have the right tools and knowledge http://turbolabofamerica.com/categor...rebuild-video/ Last edited by Meatos; 04-16-2018 at 02:06 PM.. |
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