[Patton250]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

I hope you know I really hope you're right. But I'm highly skeptical based on current society and how things have been moving. NY had a chance to make a change with their governor. We know how that went. The recall of Gascon failing twice. All this stuff going on with crime which I doubt anyone can argue is a problem yet the same people are still in place and doubling down on their failing policies. This is what I'm going on as my gauge as to how the next election might go.

Believe me, I totally know what you mean. I’m sure you and I agree on a lot of things. However, the reason why this is going to be reversed is because of the following points. The electrical grid in the United States could never support charging over 250 million cars. It will take 50 years to upgrade the grid. It takes eight freaking hours to charge one of these stupid cars. Eight! The best place to charge them and where they are most practical to own is at your house. There are tens of millions of people that live in giant apartment complexes and condos all over the country. What are they going to do? They’re not going to go sit at a stupid super charging station and wait in line just so they can plug it up for two hours to get 20%. So until these issues get resolved, this is all fantasy lip talk coming from politicians. They could pass a law saying that all cars must fly by 2035 but that’s not going to happen. I’ve done the research on this from objective sources and this just isn’t practical regardless of peoples feelings. Now that doesn’t mean that electric vehicles won’t fit nicely into the countries fleet of cars now. I think some of them do quite well now actually. Tesla is a good story and has decent range. Of course, without subsidies they would’ve never made it but that’s a different conversation. All I’m saying is to actually outlaw ice vehicle production is an ignorant joke, and it will naturally die on its own.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Believe me, I totally know what you mean. I’m sure you and I agree on a lot of things. However, the reason why this is going to be reversed is because of the following points. The electrical grid in the United States could never support charging over 250 million cars. It will take 50 years to upgrade the grid. It takes eight freaking hours to charge one of these stupid cars. Eight! The best place to charge them and where they are most practical to own is at your house. There are tens of millions of people that live in giant apartment complexes and condos all over the country. What are they going to do? They’re not going to go sit at a stupid super charging station and wait in line just so they can plug it up for two hours to get 20%. So until these issues get resolved, this is all fantasy lip talk coming from politicians. They could pass a law saying that all cars must fly by 2035 but that’s not going to happen. I’ve done the research on this from objective sources and this just isn’t practical regardless of peoples feelings. Now that doesn’t mean that electric vehicles won’t fit nicely into the countries fleet of cars now. I think some of them do quite well now actually. Tesla is a good story and has decent range. Of course, without subsidies they would’ve never made it but that’s a different conversation. All I’m saying is to actually outlaw ice vehicle production is an ignorant joke, and it will naturally die on its own.

You don't have to sell me on why EVs just won't work as a primary mode of transportation for the majority of the US now, near future, and even into the distant future. The things you've brought up about the grid and charge time....I've said the same in my posts here.

What I'm saying is we've had idiotic laws and policies that have been implemented with the failures being immediate and in everyone's faces. Yet nothing has been done to reverse course. And as I've said there's been a doubling down on these failed policies. I'm firmly convinced that the only way many of these policies will change is when everything around us degrades into total chaos.

[allinon72]

The goal is to limit people's movement. It's a win-win for the gubment - cars are too expensive so it pushes people to public transit. Or, cars are affordable and the only thing available (due to federal laws) is electric, subscription model cars. Or people just choose not to go anywhere at all (15 minute cities). All of these achieve the end goal.

[KRS_SN]

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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/26/business/china-electric-vehicles.html#:~:text=China's%20top%20leader%2C%20 Xi%20Jinping,be%20electric%20vehicles%20by%202025.

[Cos270]

Originally Posted by allinon72

The goal is to limit people's movement. It's a win-win for the gubment - cars are too expensive so it pushes people to public transit. Or, cars are affordable and the only thing available (due to federal laws) is electric, subscription model cars. Or people just choose not to go anywhere at all (15 minute cities). All of these achieve the end goal.

I would add that this scenario (less people driving - whether they be in EVs or ICE vehicles) is the only way any of the latest emission goals will come close to being met. Of course, no one will say that out loud but I’m sure all the people making these decisions know it.

[zx10guy]

Another thing to consider is taxes. The Feds and states have gotten used to the taxes applied per gallon of gasoline purchased. Don't think that these taxes are just going to just disappear. It's going to be applied somewhere and the most logical is going to be on electric consumption. With gas if things get expensive or times are tight, one could limit the amount of driving. Try that with electricity where it doesn't matter if you cut back on how much driving you do as your non EV consumption is still going to be taxed.

[StradaRedlands]

Originally Posted by freakystyly

Will people still pop their hoods to show off their huuuuge battery packs?

They'll brag about their frunks!!!

[M5Rick]

To see a name of the batteries??

[RM7]

Originally Posted by allinon72

The goal is to limit people's movement. It's a win-win for the gubment - cars are too expensive so it pushes people to public transit. Or, cars are affordable and the only thing available (due to federal laws) is electric, subscription model cars. Or people just choose not to go anywhere at all (15 minute cities). All of these achieve the end goal.

Have you driven in Texas lately? I've spent 3 weeks in the last 3 or so months and it's just out of control. Infrastructure falling apart, holes in the roads, collapses, etc. They are furiously trying to build more overpasses, toll lanes, etc., but all it does its slow it down more and in the meantime all the other road surfaces go to hell. I didn't think it was possible Texas would have worse infrastructure/roads than here in AK, but every time it just blows my mind. If you live there in a metro area, you basically take the hit of having to waste huge portions of your life dealing with it. It's out of control and despite all the work, it's not getting better (over the 10+ years I've been regularly going).

[gonzo]

^
Sounds like H Town.

[BGM-M3COMP]

2030 closing in! 2035 on the move!

[M5Rick]

Yep EV will be the biggest joke on earth by then, all those spent batteries that can't be recycled will be stored in lead lined 'trumnas' somewhere where the sun don't shine.
Good riddance.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Yep EV will be the biggest joke on earth by then, all those spent batteries that can't be recycled will be stored in lead lined 'trumnas' somewhere where the sun don't shine.
Good riddance.

who cares about the environment!! 2035!!! Now 2030 apparently because I said so!!!! LMAOOOOO!!!!!!


/S

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooo

[BGM-M3COMP]

Let’s go ev!!!!

When you lose an argument you just mock the inevitable! Yay!


Lmaoooooo

[MmmmmM2]

I'll just leave this here: https://www.yahoo.com/news/heres-big...115727655.html

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by MmmmmM2

I'll just leave this here: https://www.yahoo.com/news/heres-big...115727655.html

Good post. Here's the core EV problem:

"Last year, in a preprint study conducted by researchers at the University of California, Berkeley, and the nonprofit Cool the Earth, researchers tested every single fast charging station in the San Francisco Bay Area."

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MmmmmM2

I'll just leave this here: https://www.yahoo.com/news/heres-big...115727655.html

Over the pond too, the ones pushing it are just closing their eyes to the big picture of huge queues at charging points with road rage, rip off electric charge prices away from home charging and gas car drivers being penalised at will by a blinkered bunch of wallies.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Over the pond too, the ones pushing it are just closing their eyes to the big picture of huge queues at charging points with road rage, rip off electric charge prices away from home charging and gas car drivers being penalised at will by a blinkered bunch of wallies.

I stopped by my local gas station a few days ago to top up, there wasn't free pump so I had to wait about 5 minutes, which is about 4.5 minutes longer than I care to wait. I can't imagine having an EV pulling in to charge and seeing there is a 2 hour wait or 1/2 the chargers being broken. This alone is reason enough for me to not want to buy one. I start watching for gas stations when I get below 1/2 a tank, I look for price but will drive right by if there is a line up for the pumps. I'll also mention that watching people at the pump is an exercise in frustration, people don't seem to know how to work a gas pump, then they get back in their car and need 2 minutes to pull away doing any number of ridiculous things from filling their receipt, making a phone call or checking their make up. Pump Rage is going to be a real thing if people have to wait for an hour or more to charge.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

I stopped by my local gas station a few days ago to top up, there wasn't free pump so I had to wait about 5 minutes, which is about 4.5 minutes longer than I care to wait. I can't imagine having an EV pulling in to charge and seeing there is a 2 hour wait or 1/2 the chargers being broken. This alone is reason enough for me to not want to buy one. I start watching for gas stations when I get below 1/2 a tank, I look for price but will drive right by if there is a line up for the pumps. I'll also mention that watching people at the pump is an exercise in frustration, people don't seem to know how to work a gas pump, then they get back in their car and need 2 minutes to pull away doing any number of ridiculous things from filling their receipt, making a phone call or checking their make up. Pump Rage is going to be a real thing if people have to wait for an hour or more to charge.

"Pump Rage". Bookmarked for Murf coining the phrase 14 April 2023.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Over the pond too, the ones pushing it are just closing their eyes to the big picture of huge queues at charging points with road rage, rip off electric charge prices away from home charging and gas car drivers being penalised at will by a blinkered bunch of wallies.

Lol. "blinkered bunch of wallies". Translation please.

[chad86tsi]

And remember, this "public charging" is the solution for those that live in apartments or condos, or don't have adequate electrical service or parking access for charging at home. It's offered as an easy fix for those that can't afford the infrastructural changes needed to embrace an EV in their own home. "Don't worry, someone else will build that for you. Buy now and trust us".

It's going to get a lot worse very quickly when those people in non-ideal situations run out of options and have to use public charging. Right now public charging is mostly convenience thing and many EV owners never use them, or use once or twice a year. If %6 of new cars are EV now, and most are charged at home, what's it going to look like when 100% of new cars are EV, and only some can be charged at home? It's a non-linear equation.