JB3 HELP!

sbdavis1 · 06-28-2009, 12:13 PM

Hey guys, I am in need of major help with my jb3. I recently installed a FMIC and since then I have had issues with my car. Dyno's showed the FMIC to flow much better and colder. Pulled 25whp on 91octane and AZ heat.

But lately my car throws the service engine light and goes into limp mode randomely. It's happened under full throttle, and on other ocasions as soon as I hit boost.

I don't have a BT Scan Tool and can't find one to use. I'm going to place an order for one today or tonight but wanted to see if anybody had some helpful input to figure this out...

I also pulled more power on map 3 than map 5 on 91, and I have kept it on map 3 since the dyno. I still have issues.

Keep in mind that before the FMIC install i had no issues with CEL's or limp mode. I ran it on map3 for the most part and map5 with no issues.

What could this be???????????

my car is a 2007 e92. 11,257 miles. pre 29.2 6mt

thanks

ThorsHammer · 06-28-2009, 12:16 PM

HPFP or Boost Leak.

I'd start with checking the connections to the FMIC. Make sure you are using t-bolt clamps and that they are tight. Also check the connections to the charge pipe.

Other than that, it sounds like an HPFP problem. A Bav Tech scan will tell you for sure.

sbdavis1 · 06-28-2009, 12:22 PM

sounds like the BT Scan tool is a must. I've read about the FPFP problems everybody seems to be having...if this is the case...it's covered under warranty...but i would have to take out JB3 for service (not a problem). But does the FMIC void warranty? i've read about it going both ways...

my other mods are DCI and exhaust. Stock DP's...

Gibson6594 · 06-28-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sbdavis1

sounds like the BT Scan tool is a must. I've read about the FPFP problems everybody seems to be having...if this is the case...it's covered under warranty...but i would have to take out JB3 for service (not a problem). But does the FMIC void warranty? i've read about it going both ways...

my other mods are DCI and exhaust. Stock DP's...

It will only void the warrantly if the dealer can prove it to be the cause of the problem.

sbdavis1 · 06-28-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by coldasicex5

i had a pump replaced with my DCI and FMIC still in, dealer said they're not causes of the FP to go.. make sure you scan your car before bringing it in

thanks for the help. I'm going to orde the BT Scan right now just to make sure...worth the little bit of money to save the warranty.

ThorsHammer · 06-28-2009, 12:37 PM

You know the more I think of it, this really does sound like a boost leak...especially if it started right after the FMIC install.

Does the CEL / Limp go away if you power down and restart? Does it only return when you are boosting? If so, that's a leak.

I had this happen because my charge pipe keeps blowing off the throttle body...but it could just as easily be a leak at the FMIC connections.

I would definitely target those areas while waiting on a BT scan.

And it's not the dealer that voids the warranty, it's BMWNA. And yes, even the FMIC can give them cause to do so. Don't listen to people telling you "they have to prove it caused X." At a minimum, if it is HPFP, even your intake can be enough for them to not cover its replacement.

chinoxs203 · 06-28-2009, 12:38 PM

IMO BT tool is a must with a JB now

645Nm · 06-28-2009, 01:05 PM

I had CEL/limp modes randomly after installing FMIC and it only happened on jb3 map 3 onwards (with increase in boost).

Double check the FMIC connectors (this was my problem), causing boost leak. Connectors were not properly sealed. I reinstalled the FMIC and the car has been running on high boost maps 6 & 7 without any issues.

I don't think it is the JB3 since you haven't had the problem before installing the FMIC.

You could do a BT scan but if the boost leak is due to the FMIC not being properly connected the BT might not show any codes (as in my case) after the car threw MANY random CELs.

Also check the DCI connections especialy the (filter closest to the radiator), which connector might have been pushed out when FMIC was installed.

I know it is a pain to take off mods before going to the dealer. So, i suggest to scan the car as soon as possible - perhaps there is an independent BMW specilaist close to you that could scan it?
Only after you are sure it is not the FMIC/DCI/charpipe connections or JB3 would I take it to the dealer.
In any case the scan will show up if it is the HPFP and if it is take off as many of the mods such as JB3 and DCI before warranty work.

What type of FMIC?

Good luck...

sbdavis1 · 06-28-2009, 01:21 PM

thanks guys for all of the help.

The car runs fine for a little while...then randomely will throw a cel and limp mode. I turn the car off and then it seems to be fine.

Because it's been an issue I have not driven the car hard at all....

David 12 · 06-28-2009, 01:26 PM

Time to go ahead and remove as much as possible and take it to the dealer.

It is frustrating, so the sooner the better. If I am not mistaken, you cannot throw a tuner code if you are pre 29.2.

sbdavis1 · 06-28-2009, 01:43 PM

BT scan tool will be here this week hopefully. I will be checking for all possible boost leak options tonight and tomorrow. between the FMIC and the DV's, DCI, i hope it's just a small leak that can be sealed and fix the problem.

Should i keep my Jb3 on map3??? I will be driving the car as little as possible. And obviously not hard at all...

sbdavis1 · 06-28-2009, 02:25 PM

what about spark plugs? could this be throwing the cel at all? i've read that a lot of the guys running the higher maps switch them out fairly early...

what do you guys recommend to replace them with? Bosch ones? or is there 1 stage cooler for higher boost levels?

how would i know when to change mine?

again 2007 11,2XX miles. SSTT for 5,000 miles...JB3 for last 1,000 miles

ThorsHammer · 06-28-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sbdavis1

BT scan tool will be here this week hopefully. I will be checking for all possible boost leak options tonight and tomorrow. between the FMIC and the DV's, DCI, i hope it's just a small leak that can be sealed and fix the problem.

Should i keep my Jb3 on map3??? I will be driving the car as little as possible. And obviously not hard at all...

If it's a boost leak, it won't matter what map you're on. You could set the JB3 to map 0 (stock) and as soon as you get into boost you could throw the code.

I would take it to the shop that did your FMIC and have them check all those connections, and all the way up the charge pipe to the throttle body.

There is also a small chance you knocked one of the DV's when doing the intake...or maybe one is just leaking on it's own.

ThorsHammer · 06-28-2009, 02:31 PM

Regarding plugs, unless you're running el cheapo gas, and/or using fuel additives, they are fine.

I changed mine at 7500 while doing my own oil change just for the fun of it. I've been on a tune since day one and they looked fine. You should be able to go at least 20k before even thinking about plugs.

sbdavis1 · 06-28-2009, 02:34 PM

I just bought the Forge DV's a few weeks ago. I installed them no problem and had no issues prior to the FMIC install. I will double check all of the connections and have the FMIC looked at tomorrow morning first thing.

ThorsHammer · 06-28-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sbdavis1

I just bought the Forge DV's a few weeks ago. I installed them no problem and had no issues prior to the FMIC install. I will double check all of the connections and have the FMIC looked at tomorrow morning first thing.

Well that was important info!!!!

I guarantee you that's the problem. The increase boost build and the FMIC...it's a leak. I'd put money on it. It's either the charge pipe where it meets the throttle body or it's the charge pipe and FMIC connection.

After I put on my forge DV's, I was fine for a few days and then POP! Off comes the charge pipe from the throttle body. It's a known problem. Do you remember hearing a pop or bang sound? It would have only happened once.

sbdavis1 · 06-28-2009, 03:38 PM

sorry for leaving that out!

I dont remember a pop but it's super hot here...even at night. so windows are always up and music usually on as well.

i'm at work now and can't get out to make sure the DV is on there ok....

so you think it's likely to be the charge pipe?

ThorsHammer · 06-28-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sbdavis1

sorry for leaving that out!

I dont remember a pop but it's super hot here...even at night. so windows are always up and music usually on as well.

i'm at work now and can't get out to make sure the DV is on there ok....

so you think it's likely to be the charge pipe?

Yep. The flow goes FMIC-->Charge Pipe (with DV's)-->Throttle Body

My CP blew right off the Throttle Body. What kind of intake are you running? Depending, it might be pretty easy to run your hand up there and see if the CP is off the TB. Otherwise, it's going to be one of the connections along the way from the CP to the FMIC.

ThorsHammer · 06-28-2009, 03:48 PM

By the way, here's the thread when my leak started. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268734

sbdavis1 · 06-28-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ThorsHammer

Yep. The flow goes FMIC-->Charge Pipe (with DV's)-->Throttle Body

My CP blew right off the Throttle Body. What kind of intake are you running? Depending, it might be pretty easy to run your hand up there and see if the CP is off the TB. Otherwise, it's going to be one of the connections along the way from the CP to the FMIC.

thanks for all the help. i work til 4 then i'll be diving into this....

i'm running the BMS DCI

ThorsHammer · 06-28-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sbdavis1

thanks for all the help. i work til 4 then i'll be diving into this....

i'm running the BMS DCI

Too easy, then. Even if you have to remove the cones, I'd do it just to check the CP. The CP, where it meets the throttle body, has a pretty thick, brass-colored "clip" that lifts up/pushes down, on the end of the CP. If your CP has come off, just run a flathead screwdriver between the clip and the CP, and pull up. But if it's secure, just leave that alone.

Then, check the other end of the CP. Make sure the CP is pushed all the way into that coupling hose, and make sure any clamps are tight. If that doesn't fix the problem, you might want to put the stock DV's back on, just to see if they might be faulty. By the way, which color springs did you use?

sbdavis1 · 06-28-2009, 05:14 PM

I bought the DV's used. with the Yellow springs installed. The DV closest to the FMIC seems to be lose. I can turn it about a 1/4'' each direction. Doesn't seem to be locking all the way down.

???

I see that the FDV have caused some problems similar to mine...as you experienced. Did you end up keeping the FDV on and upgrading your CP?

06-28-2009, 12:13 PM	#1
sbdavis1 First Lieutenant 20 Rep 325 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: tempe iTrader: (2)	JB3 HELP! Hey guys, I am in need of major help with my jb3. I recently installed a FMIC and since then I have had issues with my car. Dyno's showed the FMIC to flow much better and colder. Pulled 25whp on 91octane and AZ heat. But lately my car throws the service engine light and goes into limp mode randomely. It's happened under full throttle, and on other ocasions as soon as I hit boost. I don't have a BT Scan Tool and can't find one to use. I'm going to place an order for one today or tonight but wanted to see if anybody had some helpful input to figure this out... I also pulled more power on map 3 than map 5 on 91, and I have kept it on map 3 since the dyno. I still have issues. Keep in mind that before the FMIC install i had no issues with CEL's or limp mode. I ran it on map3 for the most part and map5 with no issues. What could this be??????????? my car is a 2007 e92. 11,257 miles. pre 29.2 6mt thanks
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06-28-2009, 12:16 PM	#2
ThorsHammer Major 82 Rep 1,389 Posts Drives: '09 BMW 335i Coupe Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Antonio, TX iTrader: (10)	HPFP or Boost Leak. I'd start with checking the connections to the FMIC. Make sure you are using t-bolt clamps and that they are tight. Also check the connections to the charge pipe. Other than that, it sounds like an HPFP problem. A Bav Tech scan will tell you for sure. __________________ "SYONRA" is for sale! http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=366678 BSM '09 e92 335i \| Performance: JB3, RR Catted DP's, INJEN DCI, Britalman Exhst, AA FMIC, FORGE DVs \| Suspension: ST-V1 Coils, Hotchkis Chassis Brace & F/R Sways \| Wheels: Bremmer Kraft BR03s, Brake Performance Rotors, Cool Carbon Pads, ECS Lines \| Exterior: OEM Aero Lip/Rear, ****** CF Trunk Lid, BLUX5 Angels, M-Force M3 Sides \| Interior: Passport 9500ci, Black Trim, M3 Wheel
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sbdavis1 First Lieutenant 20 Rep 325 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: tempe iTrader: (2)	sounds like the BT Scan tool is a must. I've read about the FPFP problems everybody seems to be having...if this is the case...it's covered under warranty...but i would have to take out JB3 for service (not a problem). But does the FMIC void warranty? i've read about it going both ways... my other mods are DCI and exhaust. Stock DP's...
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ThorsHammer Major 82 Rep 1,389 Posts Drives: '09 BMW 335i Coupe Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Antonio, TX iTrader: (10)	You know the more I think of it, this really does sound like a boost leak...especially if it started right after the FMIC install. Does the CEL / Limp go away if you power down and restart? Does it only return when you are boosting? If so, that's a leak. I had this happen because my charge pipe keeps blowing off the throttle body...but it could just as easily be a leak at the FMIC connections. I would definitely target those areas while waiting on a BT scan. And it's not the dealer that voids the warranty, it's BMWNA. And yes, even the FMIC can give them cause to do so. Don't listen to people telling you "they have to prove it caused X." At a minimum, if it is HPFP, even your intake can be enough for them to not cover its replacement. __________________ "SYONRA" is for sale! http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=366678 BSM '09 e92 335i \| Performance: JB3, RR Catted DP's, INJEN DCI, Britalman Exhst, AA FMIC, FORGE DVs \| Suspension: ST-V1 Coils, Hotchkis Chassis Brace & F/R Sways \| Wheels: Bremmer Kraft BR03s, Brake Performance Rotors, Cool Carbon Pads, ECS Lines \| Exterior: OEM Aero Lip/Rear, ****** CF Trunk Lid, BLUX5 Angels, M-Force M3 Sides \| Interior: Passport 9500ci, Black Trim, M3 Wheel
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chinoxs203 Major 122 Rep 1,369 Posts Drives: 08 E92 335xi AW Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CT iTrader: (7)	IMO BT tool is a must with a JB now __________________ FOR SALE: Dropbox - please
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645Nm only in it for the torque - awuleth'umshini wami 50 Rep 425 Posts Drives: sapphire black 335i Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: nomad iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 335i sedan [0.00] 2005 120D [0.00] 2007 335i sedan [0.00]	Go to someone that can scan the car I had CEL/limp modes randomly after installing FMIC and it only happened on jb3 map 3 onwards (with increase in boost). Double check the FMIC connectors (this was my problem), causing boost leak. Connectors were not properly sealed. I reinstalled the FMIC and the car has been running on high boost maps 6 & 7 without any issues. I don't think it is the JB3 since you haven't had the problem before installing the FMIC. You could do a BT scan but if the boost leak is due to the FMIC not being properly connected the BT might not show any codes (as in my case) after the car threw MANY random CELs. Also check the DCI connections especialy the (filter closest to the radiator), which connector might have been pushed out when FMIC was installed. I know it is a pain to take off mods before going to the dealer. So, i suggest to scan the car as soon as possible - perhaps there is an independent BMW specilaist close to you that could scan it? Only after you are sure it is not the FMIC/DCI/charpipe connections or JB3 would I take it to the dealer. In any case the scan will show up if it is the HPFP and if it is take off as many of the mods such as JB3 and DCI before warranty work. What type of FMIC? Good luck... __________________
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sbdavis1 First Lieutenant 20 Rep 325 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: tempe iTrader: (2)	thanks guys for all of the help. The car runs fine for a little while...then randomely will throw a cel and limp mode. I turn the car off and then it seems to be fine. Because it's been an issue I have not driven the car hard at all....
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David 12 Major 127 Rep 1,048 Posts Drives: 2019 BMW X5 50i BSM, M Sport Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Omaha iTrader: (0)	Time to go ahead and remove as much as possible and take it to the dealer. It is frustrating, so the sooner the better. If I am not mistaken, you cannot throw a tuner code if you are pre 29.2.
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sbdavis1 First Lieutenant 20 Rep 325 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: tempe iTrader: (2)	BT scan tool will be here this week hopefully. I will be checking for all possible boost leak options tonight and tomorrow. between the FMIC and the DV's, DCI, i hope it's just a small leak that can be sealed and fix the problem. Should i keep my Jb3 on map3??? I will be driving the car as little as possible. And obviously not hard at all...
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sbdavis1 First Lieutenant 20 Rep 325 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: tempe iTrader: (2)	what about spark plugs? could this be throwing the cel at all? i've read that a lot of the guys running the higher maps switch them out fairly early... what do you guys recommend to replace them with? Bosch ones? or is there 1 stage cooler for higher boost levels? how would i know when to change mine? again 2007 11,2XX miles. SSTT for 5,000 miles...JB3 for last 1,000 miles
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ThorsHammer Major 82 Rep 1,389 Posts Drives: '09 BMW 335i Coupe Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Antonio, TX iTrader: (10)	Regarding plugs, unless you're running el cheapo gas, and/or using fuel additives, they are fine. I changed mine at 7500 while doing my own oil change just for the fun of it. I've been on a tune since day one and they looked fine. You should be able to go at least 20k before even thinking about plugs. __________________ "SYONRA" is for sale! http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=366678 BSM '09 e92 335i \| Performance: JB3, RR Catted DP's, INJEN DCI, Britalman Exhst, AA FMIC, FORGE DVs \| Suspension: ST-V1 Coils, Hotchkis Chassis Brace & F/R Sways \| Wheels: Bremmer Kraft BR03s, Brake Performance Rotors, Cool Carbon Pads, ECS Lines \| Exterior: OEM Aero Lip/Rear, ****** CF Trunk Lid, BLUX5 Angels, M-Force M3 Sides \| Interior: Passport 9500ci, Black Trim, M3 Wheel
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sbdavis1 First Lieutenant 20 Rep 325 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: tempe iTrader: (2)	I just bought the Forge DV's a few weeks ago. I installed them no problem and had no issues prior to the FMIC install. I will double check all of the connections and have the FMIC looked at tomorrow morning first thing.
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sbdavis1 First Lieutenant 20 Rep 325 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: tempe iTrader: (2)	sorry for leaving that out! I dont remember a pop but it's super hot here...even at night. so windows are always up and music usually on as well. i'm at work now and can't get out to make sure the DV is on there ok.... so you think it's likely to be the charge pipe?
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ThorsHammer Major 82 Rep 1,389 Posts Drives: '09 BMW 335i Coupe Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Antonio, TX iTrader: (10)	By the way, here's the thread when my leak started. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268734 __________________ "SYONRA" is for sale! http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=366678 BSM '09 e92 335i \| Performance: JB3, RR Catted DP's, INJEN DCI, Britalman Exhst, AA FMIC, FORGE DVs \| Suspension: ST-V1 Coils, Hotchkis Chassis Brace & F/R Sways \| Wheels: Bremmer Kraft BR03s, Brake Performance Rotors, Cool Carbon Pads, ECS Lines \| Exterior: OEM Aero Lip/Rear, ****** CF Trunk Lid, BLUX5 Angels, M-Force M3 Sides \| Interior: Passport 9500ci, Black Trim, M3 Wheel
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sbdavis1 First Lieutenant 20 Rep 325 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: tempe iTrader: (2)	I bought the DV's used. with the Yellow springs installed. The DV closest to the FMIC seems to be lose. I can turn it about a 1/4'' each direction. Doesn't seem to be locking all the way down. ??? I see that the FDV have caused some problems similar to mine...as you experienced. Did you end up keeping the FDV on and upgrading your CP?
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