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10-15-2010, 08:59 AM | #133 |
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Let me be clear. BMW did not design the xi with dry road performance in mind, like Audi and Mitsubishi did. One only needs to look at the springs to confirm this. I'll shut up now.
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10-15-2010, 12:36 PM | #137 | |
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So enlighten me how one is performance oriented and the other is not when they basically function exactly the same. |
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10-15-2010, 12:38 PM | #138 |
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I don't know if ride height justifies this in any way. Look at a stock STI or EVO. MY STI stock was no stiffer than the XI and had about the same body roll.
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10-15-2010, 12:40 PM | #139 |
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10-15-2010, 01:19 PM | #140 | |
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Quattro has about 10 iterations, all but the latest of which are clearly inferior to the basic xdrive in the 3 series. |
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10-15-2010, 01:46 PM | #141 | |
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A4s lack lsd ( at least until 2010), s4 and rs4 have and had lsd for a long time (or always) Last edited by Kolyan2k; 10-15-2010 at 02:16 PM.. |
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10-15-2010, 02:06 PM | #143 | |
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Most people and most reviewers would say that the true quattro (not the Haldex version) is one of the best out there. quattro is reliable, predictable and proven and has been around since the mid eighties. It has won many a rally - can one say that about x-drive? Actually, a few years back AutoMotorSport (the German Car & Driver) tested the A6, 5 series, E and Honda Legend (Acura RL). The E series 4matic won over the Audi, BMW and Honda (in that order.) I think you have to ask yourself "where is the line between performance and safety?" |
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10-15-2010, 02:35 PM | #145 | |
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Nothing wrong with quattro. All AWD systems have certain inherent performance advantages over rwd. |
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10-15-2010, 03:18 PM | #146 | |
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<soapbox> I'm ignorant when it comes to Audi's Quattro, from what little I've read it sounds like a very capable, if not awesome, system. So I'm not going to argue that the xi is superior or inferior to the quattro, but the thread's title is 335i or 335xi. (I answered that Q already to the OP.) Getting an LSD now sounds tempting. Hmmm, $ towards an e36 m3 sounds like a better way to fill my addiction. Xi and i both have their caveats: the i leaves a little performance left on the table because there is still some traction left (even when turning, to a certain degree) on the front tires. One only needs to look at past success of Audi and the fairly recent "up and comers", EVO, WRX STI, and Nissan GT-R etc., to notice that the performance benefits of AWD are ~real~. I bodly say that my opinion is that it more than offsets the weight caveat of AWD. Complexity and resulting potential failures remains to be seen. Fuel economy (or lack thereof) is another discussion. I will also boldly say that considering M division's foray from NA to FI, with ever increasing heat from the competitors mentioned above... wait for it... I think BMW will eventually make an AWD M3. Did I just say that? Hold on, okay, flamesuit now on. </soapbox>
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10-15-2010, 03:51 PM | #147 |
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And all were junk until the current version of xdrive
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10-15-2010, 04:47 PM | #148 | |
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It worked fine. With the nanny enabled, the electronics would come on less frequently. With the nanny off, I could slide the car around as I please. The LSD was really nice in winter with the nanny off. I could drive on the snow without having by brakes tapping all the time. And the car was predictable to boot. Never had the nanny kick in and fight what I'm telling it to do. Winter driving was the impetus for me doing the LSD. I took the car to an empty parking lot and tried to do doughnuts and 8's with it on the snow - the nanny would intervene and FORCE the car to go straight as soon as I got any slide going on. I was fairly pissed off. What if I was in a turn, and slid a little bit, and the car friggin' sent me straight into oncoming traffic just so I wouldn't step out in the rear? Stupidest shit I've ever seen. I literally had to pull my e-brake a couple times in a turn/exit to force the thing to rotate on the snow when my stability BS engaged. I HATED it. From then on I used the LSD with nanny off in the winter. If the rear slid a bit in a turn, fine. I never had to worry about electronically-induced-understeer ever again. Then in summer came the aggressive alignment. Which just made the car a lot more fun to drive. -scheherazade |
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10-15-2010, 06:42 PM | #150 |
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10-16-2010, 10:21 AM | #151 | |||
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AWD Technology Haldex - Torsen - Symmetrical AWD system - What other call their AWD system ATTESA E-TS system SH-AWD 4Motion 4Matic All-Trac S-AWC Quadra Drive II Quote:
BMW doesnt even sell the AWD as performance, well not as much as EVO and STi or even Audi (unfair advantage).
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10-16-2010, 01:22 PM | #152 |
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the only reason quattro is a performance advantage is because the alternative VW/Audi drivetrain is FWD. Same with subaru, mitsu etc.... they are either fwd or rwd.
so clearlly awd>fwd from a performance perspective. It's not because audi engineers "designed" it for performance. and BMW engineers didn't sit around thinking up ways for the system to be safe and good in snow vs high performance. That's just a ludicrous thought. They certainly wouldn't have made it so rear biased (60% Rear by default, increasing to 100%) if they were trying to make it safe and good in snow. geeze guys really? |
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10-16-2010, 05:50 PM | #153 | |
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Other variations of ALL 3 AWD systems are made for performance and light years away from X-drive (which only comes in 1 basic design). |
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