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      06-20-2019, 12:09 PM   #1
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High mileage 335i

How bad of an investment is it to get involved in a 175k+ 335i? Coming from the N52 09' 328i, I actually haven't had any issues other than the water pump and thermostat which seems like a common fault. However, I've been longing for a 335i, and I finally found one for a pretty unbelievable price. It's a 2010 335i 6-Speed, un moded and extremely clean and it's being sold at a BMW dealership. However, it appears to be closing in on 175,000 miles. Would this thing just have issue after issue up until catastrophic failure around 200k or do some of you think that if it was meticulously maintained through its 100k mile life that it might actually be a good car?

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Its going to need 1 of everything whether it has 50,000 or 200,000 miles. Its 10 years old, factory turbocharged and well known to be finicky even brand new. No doubt you are looking for the turbo model in order to have some fun, so plan on that fun costing you(whatever the platform is, this holds true).

If you are buying it and hoping you won't need to do anything to it, don't. If you dont mind doing the work or paying to have it done, do it.

Mine has 156k, bought with 144k and I love it. Its needed a few small things but I will be doing most all common problem areas in one shot soon as preventative maintenance. I did luck out that it came with a set of index 12s however.
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Its going to need 1 of everything whether it has 50,000 or 200,000 miles. Its 10 years old, factory turbocharged and well known to be finicky even brand new. No doubt you are looking for the turbo model in order to have some fun, so plan on that fun costing you(whatever the platform is, this holds true).

If you are buying it and hoping you won't need to do anything to it, don't. If you dont mind doing the work or paying to have it done, do it.

Mine has 156k, bought with 144k and I love it. Its needed a few small things but I will be doing most all common problem areas in one shot soon as preventative maintenance. I did luck out that it came with a set of index 12s however.
Yeah, I don't mind doing the work as I can't really afford the stealership, and the water pump and t-stat wasn't too challenging and I have all the programming software so that's not a problem either, I'm just worried about big things on this car like a new turbo, rebuilds, etc... I know that the 335i won't compete with reliability from a Lexus LS or Mercedes TD's but I figure if it's been properly maintained, how much different could it be from a 100k 335i?
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      06-20-2019, 12:19 PM   #4
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      06-20-2019, 12:25 PM   #5
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I got the 335i itch last year, and pulled the trigger on a 2009 sedan with 138k miles. I did some basic service (brakes, plugs, air filter) and sold it after 6 months / 2k miles of ownership. The new owner found he needs to replace the injectors (currently has index 7). That's $1,400 just for the parts.

I say if this is going to be a weekend vehicle, go for it. Just for fun, this was my car:

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I'm at 148,xxx miles with full bolt-ons and some fun suspension work. I have replaced most of the car's worn out items with the excuse of wanting to upgrade them anyway. I love my car and basically everything about it. I still drive it daily about 60 miles at minimum and I track it once a month for the brief period that the weather doesn't suck in Minnesota.

I am still on my stock turbos but the wastegate rattle is horrendous. Nonetheless, I'm not currently having any overboost issues and I hit my load targets but it does take a bit more time - peak boost feels later than it used to. No doubt the turbos are super tired and will need replacing.

Those turbos are a pretty big job for your average guy in a garage and an imperfect install could drive you crazy with issues. To this point I've done my own work from the basics to mid-tier stuff like the clutch/flywheel and oil pan gasket in my garage. However, I'm still dreading the day the turbos finally pop. I've been quoted $5-6k from a reputable independent shop in my area which is a pretty solid price.

So, point is - you can buy a 335i for $4-5k thinking you're getting a great deal. But if you don't plan to do the turbos yourself, expect to double that $4-5k.

If that doesn't scare you away, then these are amazing cars and probably the best jack-of-all-trades you can find for less than $10k
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Also see if the dealership can pull up the service history from earlier in the cars life (ie maintenance/warranty related issues at BMW dealerships). If you have a scanner, check for any hidden codes. Take it for a nice long test drive and make sure to WOT a few times to insure the car doesn’t go into limp mode.
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So there is actually more of a chance to get more hp out of a 330 then a 335 in my opinion
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How bad of an investment is it to get involved in a 175k+ 335i? Coming from the N52 09' 328i, I actually haven't had any issues other than the water pump and thermostat which seems like a common fault. However, I've been longing for a 335i, and I finally found one for a pretty unbelievable price. It's a 2010 335i 6-Speed, un moded and extremely clean and it's being sold at a BMW dealership. However, it appears to be closing in on 175,000 miles. Would this thing just have issue after issue up until catastrophic failure around 200k or do some of you think that if it was meticulously maintained through its 100k mile life that it might actually be a good car?

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If you can DIY, have an extensive set of tools, have about $5000.00 in savings after the purchase then you shouldn't have too many issues.

It's a good sign that it is being sold at a BMW dealership. Most BMW dealerships won't sell used cars that their mechanics deem not worth it.

That said, it would be helpful for you to know what's been done to it.

I'd make a list of items that you know it needs to be done and tally up the bill for parts. An N54 engine can go 300 to 400,000 miles. It's the stuff around the engine that can be problematic.

Suspension & subframe bushings comes to mind.

Control arms

Complete overhaul of all fluids

Belt & pulleys

Brakes

Trans & motor mounts

Water pump & thermostat

Plugs & coils

Oil leaks !?

Which gaskets have been changed and when?

Walnut Blast of the intake valves - when's the last time it was done.. if ever

Turbos ? Have they been changed out ? If so, when ?
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OP, the car is gone from the dealer's website. Did you buy it ?
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Nothing is more expensive than owning a used high power bmw. I am sticking with the n52
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Went into the city yesterday to go look at it and they told me it sold within an hour of being posted All the dealers were talking about how immaculate it was and how "well preserved" it was. And since I'm a student living paycheck to paycheck, maybe this was God's way of telling me to just be happy with my 328i. As I quote how people have said it on here, "the N52 is more than powerful.... until you drive a 335i...."
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Went into the city yesterday to go look at it and they told me it sold within an hour of being posted All the dealers were talking about how immaculate it was and how "well preserved" it was. And since I'm a student living paycheck to paycheck, maybe this was God's way of telling me to just be happy with my 328i. As I quote how people have said it on here, "the N52 is more than powerful.... until you drive a 335i...."
The car might have been a good deal at that price but I would only do it if it was a toy and you can afford to literally write off the amount invested...Probably a good thing you didn't get it... living paycheck to paycheck is about the worst thing you can do to yourself in life.

I know this is a car forum and most people aren't here looking for financial advice but...

Honesty owning a BMW while in that financial situation, even a reliable one like an n52 is not a good decision. Delayed gratification is something that doesn't get taught enough.

Owning a high mile turbo BMW while living paycheck to paycheck is just insane unless you enjoy to struggle in life.

I read that something like 50% of Americans can't write a check for $10k tomorrow if need be... that just blows my mind personally.

Save you money, once you have a 6-8 month buffer, then start thinking about toys. But even then never touch your 6 month buffer, have a separate account that you start building just for fun stuff.

When I was in my mid 20's I was in the market for a new motorcycle, had about 6k saved up to get something fun, but a mentor from college gave me a lesson on delayed gratification. Instead of the "new" GSXR I chose to delay that temporarily .

Instead I used the money to open a separate investment account just for toys. I put a preset amount in every month I was comfortable with and could afford and it grows, been doing it for 12 years now and the account makes about 10-15k a year in interest depending on the market. Typically I reinvest this amount, but I also have no problem using it if something catches my eye and it really doesn't effect my bottom line on my finances. In another 5-7 years market dependent I should have 20-30k a year I can spend just on fun stuff like motorcycles and cars.
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Went into the city yesterday to go look at it and they told me it sold within an hour of being posted All the dealers were talking about how immaculate it was and how "well preserved" it was. And since I'm a student living paycheck to paycheck, maybe this was God's way of telling me to just be happy with my 328i. As I quote how people have said it on here, "the N52 is more than powerful.... until you drive a 335i...."
If you are a student, you should be getting a Honda Civic. Almost no maintenance what so ever. It's basically a tank. Just change the oil & drive.
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I'm at 148,xxx miles with full bolt-ons and some fun suspension work. I have replaced most of the car's worn out items with the excuse of wanting to upgrade them anyway. I love my car and basically everything about it. I still drive it daily about 60 miles at minimum and I track it once a month for the brief period that the weather doesn't suck in Minnesota.

I am still on my stock turbos but the wastegate rattle is horrendous. Nonetheless, I'm not currently having any overboost issues and I hit my load targets but it does take a bit more time - peak boost feels later than it used to. No doubt the turbos are super tired and will need replacing.

Those turbos are a pretty big job for your average guy in a garage and an imperfect install could drive you crazy with issues. To this point I've done my own work from the basics to mid-tier stuff like the clutch/flywheel and oil pan gasket in my garage. However, I'm still dreading the day the turbos finally pop. I've been quoted $5-6k from a reputable independent shop in my area which is a pretty solid price.

So, point is - you can buy a 335i for $4-5k thinking you're getting a great deal. But if you don't plan to do the turbos yourself, expect to double that $4-5k.

If that doesn't scare you away, then these are amazing cars and probably the best jack-of-all-trades you can find for less than $10k
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I'm at 148,xxx miles with full bolt-ons and some fun suspension work. I have replaced most of the car's worn out items with the excuse of wanting to upgrade them anyway. I love my car and basically everything about it. I still drive it daily about 60 miles at minimum and I track it once a month for the brief period that the weather doesn't suck in Minnesota.

I am still on my stock turbos but the wastegate rattle is horrendous. Nonetheless, I'm not currently having any overboost issues and I hit my load targets but it does take a bit more time - peak boost feels later than it used to. No doubt the turbos are super tired and will need replacing.

Those turbos are a pretty big job for your average guy in a garage and an imperfect install could drive you crazy with issues. To this point I've done my own work from the basics to mid-tier stuff like the clutch/flywheel and oil pan gasket in my garage. However, I'm still dreading the day the turbos finally pop. I've been quoted $5-6k from a reputable independent shop in my area which is a pretty solid price.

So, point is - you can buy a 335i for $4-5k thinking you're getting a great deal. But if you don't plan to do the turbos yourself, expect to double that $4-5k.

If that doesn't scare you away, then these are amazing cars and probably the best jack-of-all-trades you can find for less than $10k

5-6k is a solid price for a turbo replacement? That's pretty steep and not a solid price. You need to find yourself another shop bro
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I would say any independent shop, that specializes in European Autos, will charge you upwards of $3600.00 for two turbos.

You'll pay $1800.00 for OEM turbos plus an install kit.
Double that and that's a fair price including labor.
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335i is not a buy it and drive it car even in its best condition. Let alone a high mile one. If pass unless it's your hobby or Weekender.
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