[Gibbo]

A mate told me yesterday that they are putting new digital cameras on the M25. He has heard they will be set to 81mph and fines will come really quickly in the post.

Anyone else heard about this? Trial at the moment and switch on about 18th Feb.

[RichardM]

Did he say where on the M25? There are a few sections which have specs on, they are not hard to miss.

[Gibbo]

I think he was saying permanent. I will check again with him.

[roofer]

Its where the variable zone is, southern round to the M40.

http://www.whatcar.com/news-article.aspx?NA=230818

[Evil Diesel]

That is a complete bastard.

The only good news is that my last 3 points come off today.

[Budgie]

I join at jct15 M25/M4 going north...but i could see the guys up in the gantry doing something ...mmm all is reveal hey...more penaltys and not just points..this government is ripping the p*ss out of motorists.I suppose someones gotta pay for the 5 or 6 lanes and it wont be the airlines using Heathrow or the BAA who both will be making a killing on the 28th March when T5 opens.

Validation is what is sort by a motorists and this isnt value.

[Black Sapphire]

Yeah I heard this the other day. I think they are set at 91mph the moment.

Don't those cameras only work if the variable speed limits are active i.e. at 50 or 60 mph?
I say this because I've gone through these cameras several times before at slightly over the 91mph and not received any fines/points.

Also a good way to keep an eye out for the cameras is to look at the gantry on the opposite side of the road, if there are cameras on that side they will have cameras on your side.
Think this is due to cabling and costs (easier/cheaper to have all the cameras on one gantry)

[Bumps]

I use that section of the M25 all the time after a long period of not doing so. I noticed the difference in the gantries ie that you could no longer see the film scameras in the back, and that the back of the gantries are now black mesh with holes for the cameras. I've seen people blazing along through there up until last Sunday night (3 Feb) so don't know whether they're active. It's just safer to stick at 70-75mph anyway. I say up to 75 mph as I think the safest way to drive is analyse your speed relative to the conditions and other road users, not staring at your speedo all the time to make sure you are bang on 70. How the f**k is that safe???!!!

And as for the extra lanes to ease congestion - b******s. You will never ease congestion until you teach all the retards out there how to drive on a motorway. Instead of people sitting in the middle and outside lanes for hours on end on a 3 lane Mway, they now sit in lanes 3 and 4. AAAARRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! You just want to slap some people (and I'm a lover not a fighter)

If the govt are really serious about increasing road safety, education and more stringent standards are the only way (and tightening up on those will also ease congestion). Cameras purely raise revenue. I would not mind if they were just honest about it. Bastards.

[NFS]

Originally Posted by Bumps

If the govt are really serious about increasing road safety, education and more stringent standards are the only way (and tightening up on those will also ease congestion). Cameras purely raise revenue. I would not mind if they were just honest about it. Bastards.

I totally agree:

http://safespeed.org.uk/

Sadly the founder of the above site died last year. However, his central point was that the key to safe driving was learning to drive in accordance with the conditions of the road.

[Black Sapphire]

Originally Posted by Bumps

I use that section of the M25 all the time after a long period of not doing so. I noticed the difference in the gantries ie that you could no longer see the film scameras in the back, and that the back of the gantries are now black mesh with holes for the cameras. I've seen people blazing along through there up until last Sunday night (3 Feb) so don't know whether they're active. It's just safer to stick at 70-75mph anyway. I say up to 75 mph as I think the safest way to drive is analyse your speed relative to the conditions and other road users, not staring at your speedo all the time to make sure you are bang on 70. How the f**k is that safe???!!!

And as for the extra lanes to ease congestion - b******s. You will never ease congestion until you teach all the retards out there how to drive on a motorway. Instead of people sitting in the middle and outside lanes for hours on end on a 3 lane Mway, they now sit in lanes 3 and 4. AAAARRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! You just want to slap some people (and I'm a lover not a fighter)

If the govt are really serious about increasing road safety, education and more stringent standards are the only way (and tightening up on those will also ease congestion). Cameras purely raise revenue. I would not mind if they were just honest about it. Bastards.

+1

(Don’t get us back on the middle lane hogging helmets subject again!!)
The driving test should have been made far harder along time ago.

[mjh93sa]

Originally Posted by Bumps

If the govt are really serious about increasing road safety, education and more stringent standards are the only way (and tightening up on those will also ease congestion). Cameras purely raise revenue. I would not mind if they were just honest about it. Bastards.

Roadsafety and advanced driving training would have a much more profound and beneficial effect than the effective taxing of the motorist by another route.

From what little I have seen lane discipling is often far better on the continent than in the UK as on their predominantly two lane motoways if you don't get out of the way you will be aggresively reminded to do so.

Personally I would ban all speed limited vehicles (HGVs, cravans etc) from any overtaking on the motorway between the hours of 0700 and 1000 and 1600 and 1900. At a stroke you'd increase the capacity of the network.

It's also about time that the govenment came clean and admitted that the cameras are all about the money. Drop the points on your licence and just slap the fine on the registered keeper of the vehicle like they do on the continent. No excuses, no pratting about that they didn't know who was driving etc, fine and be done. What we really need is more (sensible) traffic cops to target the bad driving, not a dumb piece of metal.

Finally, any car stopped by the police that is either not taxed or insured should be immediately impounded and either be returned to a finance company should they hold an interest or crushed.

[c-hri-s]

Originally Posted by needforspeed

http://safespeed.org.uk/

Sadly the founder of the above site died last year. However, his central point was that the key to safe driving was learning to drive in accordance with the conditions of the road.

Having read that site I have to say I personally think it's incredibly dodgy that "donators" to the site had their money diverted to pay his common-law-wifes utility bills. I'm sure it's very sad that the bloke died, but donating to "the cause" is very different to donating to "the family". If you ask me they seem to be a lot about collecting money to promote their message and are incredibly vague about what they actually do with it (I'd suggest pay the gas bill).

If it were a charity I'd take it seriously, as it is then it looks like a bloke with a grievance and a nice little earner running.

[SoYank]

Originally Posted by mjh93sa

Personally I would ban all speed limited vehicles (HGVs, cravans etc) from any overtaking on the motorway between the hours of 0700 and 1000 and 1600 and 1900. At a stroke you'd increase the capacity of the network.

I'd ban them from overtaking on the motorway between 0700 and 0659.

[ShereKhan]

Originally Posted by mjh93sa

From what little I have seen lane discipling is often far better on the continent than in the UK as on their predominantly two lane motoways if you don't get out of the way you will be aggresively reminded to do so.

Personally I would ban all speed limited vehicles (HGVs, cravans etc) from any overtaking on the motorway between the hours of 0700 and 1000 and 1600 and 1900. At a stroke you'd increase the capacity of the network.

I agree with you about most mainland european drivers are much better disciplined. The Autostrada's in southern italy's are where I learnt how close you can drive!

The Portuguese have the best lane discipline but they are crazy drivers (hence the highest death rate in EU). They will overtake on blind bends without even thinking about it.

There is a rule in Italy that outlaws certain tonnage trucks on a Sunday until a certain time in the evening.

[NFS]

Originally Posted by dodgy

Having read that site I have to say I personally think it's incredibly dodgy that "donators" to the site had their money diverted to pay his common-law-wifes utility bills. I'm sure it's very sad that the bloke died, but donating to "the cause" is very different to donating to "the family". If you ask me they seem to be a lot about collecting money to promote their message and are incredibly vague about what they actually do with it (I'd suggest pay the gas bill).

If it were a charity I'd take it seriously, as it is then it looks like a bloke with a grievance and a nice little earner running.

I'd never even noticed that you could donate to the site. I just thought the guy talked a lot of sense.

Originally Posted by mjh93sa

Personally I would ban all speed limited vehicles (HGVs, cravans etc) from any overtaking on the motorway between the hours of 0700 and 1000 and 1600 and 1900. At a stroke you'd increase the capacity of the network.

Great plan

[roofer]

Another thing to remember about the tax collectors, is that the previous trick of changing lanes between cameras, will no longer work.

The new digital ones are the same as those being trialled in the northern Blackwall tunnel, they talk to each other.

The ones on the M25 from the A12, to the M11 do not work....Yet!

[Hotcoupe]

roofer Another thing to remember about the tax collectors, is that the previous trick of changing lanes between cameras, will no longer work.

The new digital ones are the same as those being trialled in the northern Blackwall tunnel, they talk to each other.

The ones on the M25 from the A12, to the M11 do not work....Yet!

Not heard of the ones in the Blackwall,thanks for the heads up Roofer.
Are the Blackwall cameras the same as the Limehouse Link ones?

I've been round the M25 recently (variable speed zone) and it looks like all the e-mails and rumours are true, they are certainly up to sommat in the gantries.

It's only a matter of time until they link the speed cameras direct to your bank account, failing that, send everyone a direct debit form.

£%ckers

[roofer]

Are the Blackwall cameras the same as the Limehouse Link ones?

No, the Limehouse ones are lane fixed.

The original specs cameras could not communicate between lanes. The new ones in the old blackwall tunnel know if you change lanes (even though its a double white line). These will soon be rolled out countrywide, along with the crash barrier ones to be fitted every 400yds on the M4

The first black 3 series plod car i see is getting its number plate cloned

[Hotcoupe]

roofer Quote:
Are the Blackwall cameras the same as the Limehouse Link ones?

No, the Limehouse ones are lane fixed.

The original specs cameras could not communicate between lanes. The new ones in the old blackwall tunnel know if you change lanes (even though its a double white line). These will soon be rolled out countrywide, along with the crash barrier ones to be fitted every 400yds on the M4

The first black 3 series plod car i see is getting its number plate cloned

Kin ell!!!

This thread is starting to make much more sense now:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112426

[Gibbo]

Originally Posted by Hotcoupe

Kin ell!!!

This thread is starting to make much more sense now:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112426

Can I put you down to be a partner in the Kia dealership?

[Hotcoupe]

Gibbo Quote:
Can I put you down to be a partner in the Kia dealership?

Only if you can guarantee that you can remap a Kia without having to tow a compressor

Shamzie

[RichardM]

Originally Posted by roofer

The ones on the M25 from the A12, to the M11 do not work....Yet!

Do you know why they were put there then mate? They have been there for ages now.