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To Build Any Third Party

We may not agree on what third party to grow, but we have a common interest in what it would take to make it happen for one of more of them. The two party system is entrenched. It fights against us. Let's discuss the problem and possible solutions.
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Jesse Ventura calls for Rock the Debates to be supported.

He wants to run for President in 2012 if people start taking action. I can't imagine voting for Jesse Ventura, although he did have some really good things to say.

Ron Paul is pretty old. I can't imagine he would run for President again. If the Ron Paul organization continued to push and built up more grassroots, then where would their candidates run? I can't imagine they would fall into the Republican party.
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Chuck Baldwin @ the National Press Club 9/10/08
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Hey Scott, keep pushing this. You aren't the only one seriously depressed by the BI-partisanship BS that exists today.
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We need to have another couple parties introduced that can get somewhere. Unfortunately at the level we're at, I think it will take a serisous uprising to get any of those parties considered. The two that are currently in charge have enveloped all that is government and repeatedly buy out and squich smaller partisans.

I am hoping over the next few years some of those smaller sects will be able to grow. Turmoil has brought change in the past. Perhaps this is the turmoil we need.
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Jesse Ventura calls for Rock the Debates to be supported.

He wants to run for President in 2012 if people start taking action. I can't imagine voting for Jesse Ventura, although he did have some really good things to say.

Ron Paul is pretty old. I can't imagine he would run for President again. If the Ron Paul organization continued to push and built up more grassroots, then where would their candidates run? I can't imagine they would fall into the Republican party.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! To:
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Chuck Baldin is on the ballot in 37 states across the country, and an official write-in candidate for almost all the rest of them.

His Digg profile is up and featured on the elections page as well. Those of you who have Digg accounts, should friend and Digg Chuck now!

MySpace is very active for Chuck, and he has over 3000 friends. His articles are listed there as well as many of the videos of his speeches. If you're on MySpace and haven't seen Chuck's campaign profile there, go look at it.

There is a facebook fan page, too. Become a fan of Chuck and the campaign, then join one of the many groups for Chuck.
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Let me rephrase my response on the Constitution party:

F*CK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Let me rephrase my response on the Constitution party:

F*CK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Palin would be perfect for the Constitution Party.
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Palin would be perfect for the Constitution Party.
Not even. She has expressed that she embraces interventionism and preemption in dealing with the world militarily.

Certainly there are many other areas where she and the Constitution Party do not match up.
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Palin would be perfect for the Constitution Party.
Palin should marry Huckabee, run for POTUS, win and give scotty an endless orgasm....
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A Wasted Vote
by Chuck Baldwin
October 10, 2008

When asked why they will not vote for a third party candidate, many people will respond by saying something like, "He cannot win." Or, "I don't want to waste my vote." It is true: America has not elected a third party candidate since 1860. Does that automatically mean, however, that every vote cast for one of the two major party candidates is not a wasted vote? I don't think so.

In the first place, a wasted vote is a vote for someone you know does not represent your own beliefs and principles. A wasted vote is a vote for someone you know will not lead the country in the way it should go. A wasted vote is a vote for the "lesser of two evils." Or, in the case of John McCain and Barack Obama, what we have is a choice between the "evil of two lessers."

Albert Einstein is credited with saying that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result. For years now, Republicans and Democrats have been leading the country in the same basic direction: toward bigger and bigger government; more and more socialism, globalism, corporatism, and foreign interventionism; and the dismantling of constitutional liberties. Yet, voters continue to think that they are voting for "change" when they vote for a Republican or Democrat. This is truly insane!

Take a look at the recent $700 billion Wall Street bailout: both John McCain and Barack Obama endorsed and lobbied for it. Both McCain and Obama will continue to bail out these international banksters on the backs of the American taxpayers. Both McCain and Obama support giving illegal aliens amnesty and a path to citizenship. In the debate this past Tuesday night, both McCain and Obama expressed support for sending U.S. forces around the world for "peacekeeping" purposes. They also expressed support for sending combat forces against foreign countries even if those countries do not pose a threat to the United States. Neither Obama nor McCain will do anything to stem the tide of a burgeoning police state or a mushrooming New World Order. Both Obama and McCain support NAFTA and similar "free trade" deals. Neither candidate will do anything to rid America of the Federal Reserve, or work to eliminate the personal income tax, or disband the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Both Obama and McCain support the United Nations. So, pray tell, how is a vote for either McCain or Obama not a wasted vote?

But, back to the "he cannot win" argument: to vote for John McCain is to vote for a man who cannot win. Yes, I am saying it here and now: John McCain cannot win this election. The handwriting is on the wall. The Fat Lady is singing. It is all over. Finished. John McCain cannot win.

With only three weeks before the election, Barack Obama is pulling away. McCain has already pulled his campaign out of Michigan. In other key battleground states, McCain is slipping fast. He was ahead in Missouri; now it is a toss-up or leaning to Obama. A couple of weeks ago, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida were all leaning towards McCain, or at least toss-up states. Now, they are all leaning to Obama. Even the longtime GOP bellwether state of Indiana is moving toward Obama. In addition, new voter registrations are at an all-time high, and few of them are registering as Republicans. In fact, the Republican Party now claims only around 25% of the electorate, and Independents are increasingly leaning toward Obama.

Ladies and gentlemen, Barack Obama is headed for an electoral landslide victory over John McCain. John McCain can no more beat Barack Obama than Bob Dole could beat Bill Clinton.

I ask, therefore, Are not conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain guilty of the same thing that they accuse people who vote for third party candidates of doing? Are they not voting for someone who cannot win? Indeed, they are. In fact, conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain are not only voting for a man who cannot win, they are voting for a man who does not share their own beliefs and principles. If this is not insanity, nothing is!

So, why not (for once in your life, perhaps) cast a vote purely for principle! Vote for someone who is truly pro-life. Someone who would quickly secure our nation's borders, and end the invasion of our country by illegal aliens. Someone who would, on his first day in office, release Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean and fire U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton. Someone who would immediately, upon assuming office, begin leading the charge to dismantle the Federal Reserve, overturn the 16th Amendment, expunge the IRS, and return America to sound money principles. Someone who would get the US out of the UN. Someone who would stop spending billions and trillions of dollars for foreign aid. Someone who would prosecute the Wall Street bankers who defrauded the American people out of billions of dollars. Someone who would work to repeal NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, the WTO, and stop the NAFTA superhighway. Someone who would say a resounding "No" to the New World Order. Someone who would stop using our brave men and women in uniform as global cops for the United Nations. Someone who would stop America's global adventurism and interventionism. Someone who would steadfastly support and defend the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

"Who is this person?" you ask. Go here to find out:


As John Quincy Adams said, "Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."

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Not even. She has expressed that she embraces interventionism and preemption in dealing with the world militarily.

Certainly there are many other areas where she and the Constitution Party do not match up.
No more love for Palin Scotty?
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A Wasted Vote
by Chuck Baldwin
October 10, 2008

When asked why they will not vote for a third party candidate, many people will respond by saying something like, "He cannot win." Or, "I don't want to waste my vote." It is true: America has not elected a third party candidate since 1860. Does that automatically mean, however, that every vote cast for one of the two major party candidates is not a wasted vote? I don't think so.

In the first place, a wasted vote is a vote for someone you know does not represent your own beliefs and principles. A wasted vote is a vote for someone you know will not lead the country in the way it should go. A wasted vote is a vote for the "lesser of two evils." Or, in the case of John McCain and Barack Obama, what we have is a choice between the "evil of two lessers."

Albert Einstein is credited with saying that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result. For years now, Republicans and Democrats have been leading the country in the same basic direction: toward bigger and bigger government; more and more socialism, globalism, corporatism, and foreign interventionism; and the dismantling of constitutional liberties. Yet, voters continue to think that they are voting for "change" when they vote for a Republican or Democrat. This is truly insane!

Take a look at the recent $700 billion Wall Street bailout: both John McCain and Barack Obama endorsed and lobbied for it. Both McCain and Obama will continue to bail out these international banksters on the backs of the American taxpayers. Both McCain and Obama support giving illegal aliens amnesty and a path to citizenship. In the debate this past Tuesday night, both McCain and Obama expressed support for sending U.S. forces around the world for "peacekeeping" purposes. They also expressed support for sending combat forces against foreign countries even if those countries do not pose a threat to the United States. Neither Obama nor McCain will do anything to stem the tide of a burgeoning police state or a mushrooming New World Order. Both Obama and McCain support NAFTA and similar "free trade" deals. Neither candidate will do anything to rid America of the Federal Reserve, or work to eliminate the personal income tax, or disband the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Both Obama and McCain support the United Nations. So, pray tell, how is a vote for either McCain or Obama not a wasted vote?

But, back to the "he cannot win" argument: to vote for John McCain is to vote for a man who cannot win. Yes, I am saying it here and now: John McCain cannot win this election. The handwriting is on the wall. The Fat Lady is singing. It is all over. Finished. John McCain cannot win.

With only three weeks before the election, Barack Obama is pulling away. McCain has already pulled his campaign out of Michigan. In other key battleground states, McCain is slipping fast. He was ahead in Missouri; now it is a toss-up or leaning to Obama. A couple of weeks ago, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida were all leaning towards McCain, or at least toss-up states. Now, they are all leaning to Obama. Even the longtime GOP bellwether state of Indiana is moving toward Obama. In addition, new voter registrations are at an all-time high, and few of them are registering as Republicans. In fact, the Republican Party now claims only around 25% of the electorate, and Independents are increasingly leaning toward Obama.

Ladies and gentlemen, Barack Obama is headed for an electoral landslide victory over John McCain. John McCain can no more beat Barack Obama than Bob Dole could beat Bill Clinton.

I ask, therefore, Are not conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain guilty of the same thing that they accuse people who vote for third party candidates of doing? Are they not voting for someone who cannot win? Indeed, they are. In fact, conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain are not only voting for a man who cannot win, they are voting for a man who does not share their own beliefs and principles. If this is not insanity, nothing is!

So, why not (for once in your life, perhaps) cast a vote purely for principle! Vote for someone who is truly pro-life. Someone who would quickly secure our nation's borders, and end the invasion of our country by illegal aliens. Someone who would, on his first day in office, release Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean and fire U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton. Someone who would immediately, upon assuming office, begin leading the charge to dismantle the Federal Reserve, overturn the 16th Amendment, expunge the IRS, and return America to sound money principles. Someone who would get the US out of the UN. Someone who would stop spending billions and trillions of dollars for foreign aid. Someone who would prosecute the Wall Street bankers who defrauded the American people out of billions of dollars. Someone who would work to repeal NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, the WTO, and stop the NAFTA superhighway. Someone who would say a resounding "No" to the New World Order. Someone who would stop using our brave men and women in uniform as global cops for the United Nations. Someone who would stop America's global adventurism and interventionism. Someone who would steadfastly support and defend the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

"Who is this person?" you ask. Go here to find out:


As John Quincy Adams said, "Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."

I'm sorry, Scotty, but after reading this load of dirt, I will never even consider voting for Chuck Baldwin. This letter looks like something from GOP playbook, except for the names.

Oh, and if this letter is targeted to McCain's audience, he is talking into deaf ears and blind eyes.
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I just re-read this letter, Scott.

This is the saddest, most pathetic, shameless self-promotion attempt i have ever seen. Considering the fact that it comes from the presidential candidate HIMSELF, I have to say that I am having hard time believing into anything he promises to do in the last paragraph. You could talk shit about Obama all you want, but if he ever wrote something like this, I would drop my support for him in a heartbeat. What Mr. Baldwin does here shows that he has no political integrity whatsoever. Look, John McCain is toast, he is a cheat and a liar, we all know that, but he is running for President, there are alot of people who still support him and if anything, he deserves a fair end to his campaign. For a 3rd party candidate to proclaim 3 weeks in advance that McCain has lost this election, and ask McCain supporters to "come vote for me instead, because you are wasting your vote on a guy who lost", while dancing on McCain campaign's grave and talking shit about Obama is so fucking low, it makes me sick. This reeks of indecency and desperation. American Eagle my ass.
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Let me rephrase my response on the Constitution party:

F*CK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
So how do you really feel
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I just re-read this letter, Scott.
There are many people who plan to vote for McCain reluctantly. In the past, I would have been one of them. But a couple years ago, that all changed. All Republicans in control of the governement gave us government no better than divided power. Because of this, I consider them to be an extension of the Democrat party.

A lot of people who plan to reluctantly vote for McCain will do so because he is "the lesser of two evils" though he is only poorly representative of what they want in a president. Instead of voting for the loser they don't even like, they can vote on issues. The Republican party once held the values of the Constitution party. But not any longer.

Vote for the Constitution Party candidate, or the Libertarian Party candidate, Alan Keyes, Ralph Nader, or... Don't waste a vote on loser McCain who doesn't even represent what you want in a president.
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You could talk shit about Obama all you want, but if he ever wrote something like this, I would drop my support for him in a heartbeat. What Mr. Baldwin does here shows that he has no political integrity whatsoever. Look, John McCain is toast, he is a cheat and a liar, we all know that, but he is running for President, there are alot of people who still support him and if anything, he deserves a fair end to his campaign.
What about all the Democrat and Republican partisans? All the time they say vote for their guy rather than the certain loser - "it is the lesser of two evils" that can win. THAT is shameless, asking people to vote for EVIL! It is shameless to load the deck against challenger parties. The majors party's control the media (or the media controls them). The debates exclude even alternative parties where the candidate theoretically can win (where they are on the ballot in enough states that it add up to 270 electoral votes). The whole "two party system" is shameless!

Turn about is FAIR PLAY!
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What about all the Democrat and Republican partisans? All the time they say vote for their guy rather than the certain loser - "it is the lesser of two evils" that can win. THAT is shameless, asking people to vote for EVIL! It is shameless to load the deck against challenger parties. The majors party's control the media (or the media controls them). The debates exclude even alternative parties where the candidate theoretically can win (where they are on the ballot in enough states that it add up to 270 electoral votes). The whole "two party system" is shameless!

Turn about is FAIR PLAY!
I don't care about what partisans say. I have my own brain to decide what I like and what i don't like about their candidate, but when something like this comes from the candidate himself is pretty damn low.
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