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Noelle / Evotech: Anybody know these catted DPs?
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02-24-2009, 11:29 AM | #1 |
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Noelle / Evotech: Anybody know these catted DPs?
Does anybody recognize the following (catted) downpipes? If not, these are probably custom-built:
Just to explain the context: These are part of the stage 2 tuning option of both Noelle Motors (http://www.noellemotors.de/) and Evotech (in Germany, http://www.evotech.de/), comprising an ECU reflash, catted downpipes and an additional oil cooler. Results are (conservatively) estimated at 401 hp (crank) and 530 Nm torque (crank). As this stage 2 is sold at a regular price in excess of EUR 7000, I am somewhat curious about these downpipes - normally an oilcooler plus reflash and downpipes should not be that expensive. Another question: Apparently Noelle and Evotech displace the O2 (lambda) sensors. I assume that the primary sensors are moved behind the secondary cats to avoid CELs. Can someone either confirm this or know of another tuner offering this option? Also, from what I learned here catted DPs normally do not throw any codes (such as the ones from AR design, at least for pre 29.2 cars - can anyone confirm this for later builds as well?) so I wonder if the procedure of moving the O2 sensors is even necessary. Any thoughts? Alpina_B3_Lux
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02-24-2009, 12:20 PM | #2 |
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I would have thought a reflash would make the need for an 02 sensor irrelevant, as they would edit those settings in the ECU itself.
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02-24-2009, 01:01 PM | #4 |
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Well, an oilcooler is added as well - but yes! For Noelle, the quote is 7800 EUR, for Evotech 7150 EUR at the moment. Noelle has decreased it to 4900 EUR but apparently left out the oilcooler in that option (which they think is no longer necessary, what I would dispute).
As this price tag somewhat exceeds what I'm used to seeing in this forum (to understate things...), I'm wondering what kind of downpipes and set-up with the O2 sensors they're using. Don't the downpipes look somewhat like the OEM DPs? Could it be they only replace the OEM cats with metal race cats? Then the price tag would be even more exaggerated... Thanks for any input on this, Alpina_B3_Lux
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I agree with you that the price is very ambitious... |
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02-24-2009, 01:31 PM | #6 |
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lol, talk about a ripoff
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02-24-2009, 04:00 PM | #8 |
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yep look completely OEM, probably they just remove the cats inside or put some high flow ones.
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I second that except I bet they are gutted.
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02-25-2009, 02:52 AM | #13 | |
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Could be either Noelle or Evotech are offering a separate engine warranty which makes that the price so steep.
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02-25-2009, 04:51 AM | #14 | |
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And no, neither Noelle nor Evotech include an engine warranty in their price. You have to pay separately for that, and in any case there's a cap of around 2.500 EUR on that warranty. So if your motor blows, that's not enough by far, anyway. I don't want to go catless btw as I have to pass emission tests in Germany. Alpina_B3_Lux P.S. By the way, what do you mean by stage 4 with ESS? They only offer three stages AFAIK, although the third requires an aftermarket intercooler and can be supplemented by an oil cooler and downpipes (without further changes in the software, though).
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02-25-2009, 05:09 AM | #15 |
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Do you have any concerns regarding the remarkable max torque output of a Stage 3 setup with FMIC and HFC-DPs? Do you have a MT oder AT?
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